Simple Harmonic Motion of a Spring Elevator

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to simple harmonic motion involving a spring in an elevator context. Participants are exploring the dynamics of a mass-spring system under varying conditions of acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular frequency and amplitude, with one attempting to clarify the concept of initial phase angle. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of equilibrium positions and the effects of acceleration on the system.

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Some participants express agreement on certain calculations, while others seek clarification on specific parts of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of acceleration on the equilibrium position and oscillation behavior of the mass.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the initial conditions of the block's motion and the effects of the elevator's acceleration on the spring's behavior. There is a mention of the block's initial state and its subsequent motion, which may influence the interpretation of the problem.

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the question is http://home.earthlink.net/~urban-xrisis/phy002.jpg

a.
[tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/tex]
[tex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{500}{2}}[/tex]

b.
[tex]F=kx[/tex]
[tex]\frac{g}{3} * 2kg=500x[/tex]
[tex]x=1.31cm[/tex]

c.
since the block displaces 1.31 cm then that is it's amplitude

I don't undersatnd what they mean by inital phase angle. The initial phase would be the mass at -1.31cm moving upwards. I would just be...
[tex]x=- \omega^2 A cos(\omega t + \phi)[/tex]
[tex]\phi=0[/tex]

or... I think this might be a valid answer...

[tex]x_i=Acos\phi[/tex]
[tex]-1.31=1.31cos\phi[/tex]
[tex]\phi = \pi[/tex]

am I doing this all correctly?
 
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Looks good to me. (Yes, [itex]\phi = \pi[/itex].)
 
Could you explain to me what you did in part b. please?
 
When the car is accelerating, the spring must exert an additional force equal to [itex]ma = mg/3[/itex], thus the spring must stretch an additional [itex]x = mg/(3k)[/itex].
 
But isn't this just the new equilibrium position of the block? After this new position has been attained, the sum of the force of the block is zero but it will have picked a speed in going from rest to this point while accelerating according to

[tex]a = -kx/m + g/3[/tex]

Therefor it will oscilate around [itex]x = mg/(3k)[/itex].
 
With no acceleration, the equilibrium point will be where the spring is stretched an amount [itex]mg/k[/itex]; when the car is accelerating at [itex]g/3[/itex], the equilibrium position will be at a stretch of [itex]mg/k + mg/(3k)[/itex].

The initial condition is that the car is accelerating, thus the initial position of the mass is at [itex]x_0 = -mg/k -mg/(3k)[/itex]. At t=0, the acceleration stops (but the speed remains at whatever it is). So, at t=0 the equilbrium position is [itex]mg/k[/itex], thus the mass is displaced [itex]mg/(3k)[/itex] below that equilibrium point. It will oscillate about the equilibrium point with an amplitude of [itex]mg/(3k)[/itex].
 
Oops, I had misread the question. I tought the block was initially at rest, THEN the elevator started accelerating, THEN it sudently stopped. Sowwy.
 

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