Expectation values of x and x^2

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation values of position \( x \) and position squared \( x^2 \) for a given wave function in quantum mechanics. The wave function is expressed in terms of constants \( A \), \( \lambda \), and \( \omega \), which are all positive real numbers.

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  • Participants discuss the integrals used to calculate the expectation values and express concerns about obtaining zero for both \( \) and \( \). Some question whether this outcome indicates an error in their calculations, given the expected spread of the wave function.

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Participants are actively exploring the implications of their calculations and discussing the properties of integrals, particularly in relation to even and odd functions. There is a focus on clarifying the conditions under which certain integral properties hold, but no consensus has been reached regarding the expectation values.

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Participants are considering the implications of the modulus in the exponential function and how it affects the symmetry of the integrand. There is an underlying assumption that the wave function should yield non-zero expectation values due to its spread, which is being questioned.

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Given the wave function:
[tex]\psi (x,t) = Ae^ {-\lambda \mid x\mid}e^ {-(i ) \omega t}[/tex]
where A, [itex]\lambda[/itex], and [itex]\omega[/itex] are positive real constants

I'm asked to find the expectation values of x and x^2.

I know that the values are given by
[tex]<x> = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx[/tex]
and
[tex]<x^2> = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} (x^2)(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx[/tex]
However, when calculated, I get <x> = <x^2> = 0. Since this would yield a standard deviation of zero, I'm thinking I've made a mistake (the reasoning being that the function does have some spread).

Does this seem correct, or should I be getting a non-zero value for one of the expectation values?
 
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cyberdeathreaper said:
Given the wave function:
[tex]\psi (x,t) = Ae^ {-\lambda \mid x\mid}e^ {-(i ) \omega t}[/tex]
where A, [itex]\lambda[/itex], and [itex]\omega[/itex] are positive real constants

I'm asked to find the expectation values of x and x^2.

I know that the values are given by
[tex]<x> = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx[/tex]
and
[tex]<x^2> = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} (x^2)(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} dx[/tex]
However, when calculated, I get <x> = <x^2> = 0. Since this would yield a standard deviation of zero, I'm thinking I've made a mistake (the reasoning being that the function does have some spread).

Does this seem correct, or should I be getting a non-zero value for one of the expectation values?
SOLUTION HINTS:

For <x>:

[tex]1: \ \ \ \ <x> \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \[/tex]

[tex]2: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{0} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \[/tex]

[tex]3: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \color{red}\int_{0}^{+\infty} \color{black} \color{red}(-x)\color{black}(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} x(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \ \color{red}\mathbf{(0)}[/tex]


For <x2>:

[tex]4: \ \ \ \ <x^{2}> \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \[/tex]

[tex]5: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \int_{-\infty}^{0} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \[/tex]

[tex]6: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \color{red}\int_{0}^{+\infty}\color{black} \color{red}(x^{2})\color{black}(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ + \ \ \int_{0}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \mid x\mid} \, dx \ \ = \ \ \[/tex]

[tex]7: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ = \ \ \color{red} (2) \cdot \color{black} \int_{0}^{+\infty} (x^{2})(A^2)e^ {-2\lambda \color{red} (x) \color{black} } \, dx \ \ \ \ = \ \ {\color{red}\mathbf{\displaystyle \left( \frac {A^{2}} {2\lambda^{3}}\right )}}[/tex]




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Thanks. That's the justification I was looking for.

Just to clearify the rule, let me see if I can generalize it...

given:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} f(x) dx[/tex]

Then, the integral can be re-written as:

[tex]2 \int_{0}^{+\infty} f(x) dx[/tex]

if [itex]\int_{-\infty}^{0} f(x) dx = \int_{0}^{+\infty} f(x) dx[/itex]

Is this correct?
 
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It holds whenever the the integrand is even wtr 0. So f(x)=f(-x).

If f(x)=-f(-x) the function is odd and the integral will be zero.
 
Yeah,that modulus in the exponential surely means a lot.The exponential of real argument in neither odd,nor even,but that modulus changes things.

Daniel.
 
Thanks for the help. I should be set then.
 

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