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Oct2713, 10:13 PM

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Hi friends the problem is as:
While finding moment of inertia of the system about the point from where the rod is fixed, the book says that M.I. of the system will be, I = I_{rod} + I_{disc} I = [1/3m(2R)^{2}] + [m(2R)^{2}](1) Sorry in the figure the length of the rod is 2R. But I think that it should be I = I_{rod} + I_{disc} I = [1/3m(2R)^{2}] + [1/2m(R)^{2 + }m(2R)^{2}]      (2) (Using parallel axis theorem) Please friends tell why it is so? While the (2)^{nd} M.I. which I got, the book says that it will be for, Please friend help me in this confusion. I will appreciate the help. Thank you all in advance. 



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Oct2813, 12:47 AM

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If some torque acts on the rod, the rod will rotate, but nothing will rotate the disk, as the rod acts with the normal force, and it has zero torque on the disk. The centre of the disk will move but the disk will not rotate with respect to the ground frame of reference, see attached figure. The rotations of the rod and disk are not coupled. If you use the torque equation, the torque is equal to the moment of inertia multiplied by the angular acceleration β. If the body consist of parts, τ=I_{1}β_{1}+I_{2}β_{2}, but the angular acceleration of the disk is zero, so its own angular momentum around its centre does not count. ehild 



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Oct2813, 01:54 AM

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When the disc is not free to rotate about its own axis, Can't I assume it as a point mass fixed at the lower end of the rod? I think I can, cause the CG of the disc will be at that point. So, the moment of inertial of the composite system would be  I_{rod} + I_{particle or disc} about the top end of the rod. So, I = (rod)1/3[m(2R)^{2}] + (disc)m(2R)^{2} Isn't it correct? 



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Oct2813, 02:21 AM

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Moment of inertia problemWhen the disk is fixed, all its points have the same angular speed and acceleration as the rod. In this case, its own moment of inertia has to be taken into account. ehild 



#5
Oct2813, 02:24 AM

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I got the answer, and got where I was doing mistake. 



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Oct2813, 02:26 AM

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You are welcome
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Oct2813, 03:07 AM

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Hi ehild…
Could you help me understand and visualize how do we say that the disk is not rotating around the fixed end of the rod when it is free to rotate about its own axis. Any point ,say A or B cover some angle with respect to the fixed end of the rod and the vertical line ,in a given time period .Even though the angles covered would be different for different points i.e different points on the disk move with different angular speeds .Any point on the disk has some angular speed with respect to the fixed end of the rod. What is the criteria that a rigid body(disk in this case) rotates around a fixed point(fixed end of the rod) ? Is it that the angular speeds should be same ? I understand this problem..but somehow I am not convinced that the disk doesn’t rotate around the fixed end of the rod ,when it is not fixed with the rod? 



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Oct2813, 05:13 AM

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it can rotate, but its rotation is not coupled to that of the rod. If it was in rest with respect to the rod and the rod got a push, the rod would turn around the hinge, but the disk did not get any torque it would not rotate with respect to the ground. But it turned with respect to the rod, as shown in the figure.
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