Relativistic Force and Acceleration: Understanding the Relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between force and acceleration in the context of relativistic motion. Participants explore the implications of relativistic dynamics, particularly how acceleration behaves differently than in classical mechanics, and the challenges associated with applying Newtonian concepts at high speeds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the relativistic law of motion, suggesting that acceleration does not occur in the same direction as the force due to the particle's speed.
  • Another participant agrees but introduces the concept of 4-force and 4-acceleration being collinear, indicating a different perspective on the relationship.
  • A third participant acknowledges the complexity of applying the classical formula F=dp/dt at high speeds and references a source that questions the value of acceleration in special relativity.
  • A fourth participant expresses interest in the topic without contributing additional claims or arguments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of force and acceleration in relativistic contexts, with no consensus reached on the implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of applying classical mechanics to relativistic scenarios, particularly regarding the definitions and interpretations of force and acceleration.

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The relativistic law of motion is

[tex]\vec{F} = \frac{d\vec{p}}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}\frac{m\vec{u}}{\sqrt{1-(u/c)^2}} = \frac{m}{\sqrt{1-(u/c)^2}}\frac{d\vec{u}}{dt}+\frac{1}{c^2}\frac{m\vec{u}}{(1-(u/c)^2)^{3/2}}\frac{du}{dt} = \frac{m}{\sqrt{1-(u/c)^2}}\vec{a} + \frac{a}{c^2}\frac{m\vec{u}}{(1-(u/c)^2)^{3/2}}[/tex]

So this means that the acceleration of the particle does no take place in the same diretion as the force. Instead it is in some weird direction dictated by the actual speed of the particle.

Is this right?
 
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Yes,but it can be shown (actually by a definition) that the 4 force & the 4 acceleration are collinear

[tex]f^{\mu}=:m_{0}w^{\mu}[/tex]

,where,obviously,[itex]c=1[/itex].


Daniel.
 
quasar,

Yeah, quite a mess isn't it! There's a special case or two (force parallel to v, is one of them I think), but generally, trying to use F=dp/dt to find the acceleration of a particle moving at high speed is not fun. Fortunately (as Dextercioby said) you don't have to.

As Anthony French says in his intro to SR after deriving the transforms for acceleration, "The main lesson to be learned from the above calculations is that acceleration is a quantity of limited and questionable value in SR...Certainly the proud position that it holds in Newtonian dynamics has no counterpart here."
 
Very interesting!
 

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