Where Does the Apparent Creation of Energy Come From?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of apparent creation of energy, specifically in the context of gravitational potential energy (GPE) and kinetic energy (KE) as a mass moves towards a large gravitational body, such as a star. Participants explore the implications of energy conservation and the existence of GPE in deep space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the source of energy when a rock accelerates towards a star, asking where the gravitational potential energy (GPE) comes from if no work was done to raise the object above the star.
  • Another participant asserts that total energy remains constant, suggesting that the rock had potential energy based on its initial distance from the star, and that moving closer decreases GPE while increasing KE.
  • A further participant reiterates the initial question about the existence of GPE when an object is far from gravitational fields and whether all objects in the universe possess GPE relative to each other.
  • One participant claims that potential energy does not exist physically, describing it as a potential for energy that a mass will acquire, and notes that a mass cannot reach maximum kinetic energy due to hitting the surface of the attracting mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and existence of gravitational potential energy, with some arguing for its existence based on distance from a gravitational body, while others challenge the physical reality of potential energy itself. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the topic.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of potential energy and the conditions under which it is considered to exist. The discussion also touches on the implications of energy conservation without reaching a consensus on the interpretations presented.

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My Question has to do with the apparent creation of energy;

Say if one were to some how find a large rock in deep space (where no other gravitational fields existed) and bring it into the proximity of a large mass, say a star, It would be safe to say that it would accelerate towards this star, gaining KE and losing GPE.

The question lies here; where did this energy come from? As no work was done to raise the object above the star where did the GPE come from?

Does GPE exist when an object is far from the reaches for the Grav field?
On this line of reasoning can we say that all objects in the universe have GPE with respect to every other body?
 
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Total energy does not change. The rock had potential energy proportional to it's original distance from the star. Moving the rock closer to the star decreases its potential energy and so increases its kinetic energy.
 
mtong said:
My Question has to do with the apparent creation of energy;

Say if one were to some how find a large rock in deep space (where no other gravitational fields existed) and bring it into the proximity of a large mass, say a star, It would be safe to say that it would accelerate towards this star, gaining KE and losing GPE.

The question lies here; where did this energy come from? As no work was done to raise the object above the star where did the GPE come from?

Does GPE exist when an object is far from the reaches for the Grav field?
On this line of reasoning can we say that all objects in the universe have GPE with respect to every other body?

Here's more on how to work with conservation of total energy
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=72040

marlon
 
The Potencial Energy does not exist physically, as the name says it is the potencial of energy that a mass will acquire. Anyway, a mass never reaches its maximum kinetic energy since it hits the surface of the attracting mass first and cannot make it to the center.
 

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