What is a GOOD search engine?


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I'm fed up with google. It returns results that don't have all my keywords in it. Just now I searched for "Skyrim Playonlinux" and it returned several top results involving Skyrim Wine (wine as in drink, in the game), since Wine is related to playonlinux.

What is a good search engine that doesn't pull this crap?

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Use " " to your advantage.
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In the past, I still haven't found using quotes around terms to be fool-proof. For example, do I need to quote every phrase? "Skyrim" "Playonlinux" "add ons" ?

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What is a GOOD search engine?


I just did a google search for "skyrim wine" without quotations. All i got was hits relating to running Skyrim on Linux using wine. Perhaps google has made a good enough profile on me to know when i say wine i mean WINdows Emulator and not the drink.

here's the search link
https://www.google.ca/search?num=50&...34.YrosR87lxx0
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Try http://www.duckduckgo.com
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Quote Quote by Routaran View Post
I just did a google search for "skyrim wine" without quotations. All i got was hits relating to running Skyrim on Linux using wine.
Skyrim wine -linux

seems the solution to that specific search problem.

Get the reference manuals for all your tools, digital or otherwise, and learn all the details and options and settings and knobs. This will repay your investment many fold.

http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_...reference.html

If anyone is aware of even better then please share.

Quote Quote by Routaran View Post
Perhaps google has made a good enough profile on me to know when i say wine i mean WINdows Emulator and not the drink.
If you are interested in improving the quality of the profiles being kept on you then these folks
https://aboutthedata.com/
got some press in the magazines and news recently. In exchange for identifying yourself they will let you see and even correct what I suspect is a microscopic slice of the many profiles that are being constructed on you. But I sit here wondering if I can trust them if I do this. I guess I'm not telling them anything they don't already know.

If there were other better resources like that which we could trust then perhaps everyone could benefit.

More disturbing is when my metadata gets associated with all the many people from around the world that I've tried to help with little problems over the years. Then a few of them turned out to be (hopefully harmless) raving wingnuts and I'd dearly love to find a way to tell three letter agencies that I don't know this person, I've never met them, I never will and please don't raise my threat score that I know you are calculating on every one of us just because I helped them with a question once or twice.
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@oneamp: I went back and re-read your OP and now I'm not sure if I actually answered the question you had. Are you looking for information on how to get Skyrim to work on Linux or does Playonlinux mean something else like an expansion or something?
P.S. I'm not a skyrim player and don't know details of the game.

@Bill Simpson: Thanks for the link, I'd be interested to see what exactly they have but like you said, the trade off is before, where you might just be an IP or an email addy, now they know even more.
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If a few supposedly intelligent human readers aren't sure what the actual desire of the OP search was then I hold no hope that a search engine, even if it does an adequate job for typical queries, will have any success. If the OP can clearly state what it was he actually wanted to find then I suspect the solution will be simple.

On the subject of privacy, again and again people have suggested using search engines that "don't keep records." But there was an article in the Guardian I think a number of years ago that roughly said "If you can get the people who don't want to be tracked to use a few specific service providers then it is much easier for three letter agencies to track them, by just sucking up every bite going in and out of those services, the users have done the hard work by identifying themselves as people who are trying to hide."
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Quote Quote by oneamp View Post
I'm fed up with google. It returns results that don't have all my keywords in it. Just now I searched for "Skyrim Playonlinux" and it returned several top results involving Skyrim Wine (wine as in drink, in the game), since Wine is related to playonlinux.

What is a good search engine that doesn't pull this crap?

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Quote Quote by oneamp View Post
In the past, I still haven't found using quotes around terms to be fool-proof. For example, do I need to quote every phrase? "Skyrim" "Playonlinux" "add ons" ?
I've had pretty good luck with Google, using a combination of " ", +, -, and often using Google Images to help me skim through lots of results faster.
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Quote Quote by Greg Bernhardt View Post
I second this one.

When I still want to use Google but don't want narrowed searches according to my search habits what I do is use another IP. Also, before performing the search I erase everything in the browser and when I open it, it opens as if I had just installed a new browser but with all my add ons (or extensions when using Chrome). I still have to configure all the add ons again but I do it in less than 30 seconds. I'm used to it.
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I second this one.
I just tried it and it didn't take long to like it. Now I have the Firefox DuckDuckGo search add-on.
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Does it have date screening? Google does and Bing doesn't (at least as far as I can acertain).
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Quote Quote by berkeman View Post
I've had pretty good luck with Google, using a combination of " ", +, -, and often using Google Images to help me skim through lots of results faster.
+ no longer works (It's now for google+). Do you know what they replaced it with?
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Also, before performing the search I erase everything in the browser and when I open it, it opens as if I had just installed a new browser but with all my add ons (or extensions when using Chrome). I still have to configure all the add ons again but I do it in less than 30 seconds. I'm used to it.
So you are using Chrome, and you think Google doesn't know about every key that you press?

Dream on.... why else would Google bother to make its own browser and give it away "free"?

I can't remember whether I saw the following comment in another PF thread or elsewhere, but people who use multiple IP addresses etc are self-selecting themselves to be monitored more closely that the average Joe, because they presumably have something to hide.
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Quote Quote by AlephZero View Post
So you are using Chrome, and you think Google doesn't know about every key that you press?

Dream on.... why else would Google bother to make its own browser and give it away "free"?
Because they could tune it to better display their advertising?
Because everybody thinks they should create their own browser?
Because they have so much money they don't know what to do with it?

Quote Quote by AlephZero View Post
I can't remember whether I saw the following comment in another PF thread or elsewhere, but people who use multiple IP addresses etc are self-selecting themselves to be monitored more closely that the average Joe, because they presumably have something to hide.
I doubt anyone who actually knows will ever tell, but I did mention some things on this subject earlier in this particular thread which came from newspaper articles. I've been amused by the "privacy expert", the one who keeps warning the world about RFID, and who keeps promoting one search engine "because they don't keep records" and has promoted this for years, despite the evidence we have that the three letter agencies don't need records, they own the pipe in and out, if the public will just do the self selection for them.
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Quote Quote by Pythagorean View Post
+ no longer works (It's now for google+). Do you know what they replaced it with?
From http://www.googleguide.com/quote_operator.html

"Google elimiated the + operator in October 2011 and expanded the capabilities of the quotation marks ( ) operator. In addition to using this operator to search for an exact phrase, you can now add quotation marks around a single word to tell Google to match that word precisely. So, if in the past you would have searched for [ magazine +latina ], you should now search for [ magazine "latina" ]."

Whether, as some claim, quotes don't do what is claimed is another matter.
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Quote Quote by AlephZero View Post
So you are using Chrome, and you think Google doesn't know about every key that you press?

Dream on.... why else would Google bother to make its own browser and give it away "free"?

I can't remember whether I saw the following comment in another PF thread or elsewhere, but people who use multiple IP addresses etc are self-selecting themselves to be monitored more closely that the average Joe, because they presumably have something to hide.
AlephZero, my bad. I said Chrome but I'm actually using SRWare Iron.

They are both based on chromium so I used the word Chrome for shorts. Sorry for the misleading post.

About the IP.... Bah, let them do what they want, they wont get much from me as I will always do everything in my power to protect my right to privacy. Meaning I won't make their monitoring easy. I only change occasionally to hide specific stuff from Google and other data gathering institutions because they use those specific stuff to bother me. It's only when I want those biased results away from my face and obtain real results when using Google. There are things I certainly wouldn't hide when talking face to face to another person, but there are things that I deem not necessary for Google to know if I want to not be hindranced' by their gain more capital methods. I recommend reading Debunking The Dangerous "If You Have Nothing To Hide, You Have Nothing To Fear". The subject grows really fast on complexity so I would also like to redirect you to Secrets and Lies: Digital Security in a Networked World by Bruce Schneier so I don't have to explain on this post the infinitude reasons of why I chose what I chose.

Once again, I'm sorry for the misleading post. I hate misinformation, yet there I was spreading it by being lazy and not writing things as they are supposed to be. But we are cool, right?
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I would like to comment that DuckDuckGo works flawlessly in English, but in my language it doesn't return results as good as Google. I really hope they add more languages in the future.

To OP, I'm also getting fed up with Google, but I've realized that I can still use it if I manage to only extract the good parts of their service while blocking the bad ones. An analogy I would use is: "Like when we eat, we take what we need and remove the waste, I take what I need from Google and remove the waste". Of course always being careful of not violating their colossal always changing terms of service.


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