Adiabatic Expansion of 2.47 mol Ideal Gas: Final Volume Calculation

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The discussion revolves around the adiabatic expansion of an ideal monatomic gas, specifically focusing on calculating the final volume after expansion given certain initial conditions, including temperature and volume. The problem involves the application of the ideal gas law and concepts related to adiabatic processes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature using the ideal gas law. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of the variable gamma and its role in the equations presented. Some participants express confusion regarding the application of formulas and the interpretation of the variables involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and attempting to clarify concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the variables, but there remains a lack of consensus on the understanding of certain terms and how to proceed with the calculations.

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Participants indicate frustration with the complexity of the formulas and the definitions of specific variables, such as gamma. There is also mention of the need for further clarification on how to express certain relationships mathematically.

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An ideal monatomic gas, consisting of 2.47 mol of volume 0.0890 m^3, expands adiabatically. The initial and final temperatures are 22.3oC and -64.3oC. What is the final volume of the gas

According to a formula in the book, the volume of an ideal monatomic gas' volume expands by 1.52, but I think I am misinterpreting that. Anyway, I have tried using the formula

V2/ V1 = (P1/P2)^y -- but I don't know how to get the second pressure. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Can You express P through V and T? From ideal gas equation.
 
PV = nRT ?
 
Yes. You know that P*V^(gamma) is constant!? So P1*V1^gamma=P2*V2^gamma
But V=V(P,T). Thus, You can find any function depndent on V and T which is constant. it will be like V*T^(q), where q is any coefficient which can be expressed with gamma
 
wait, can you try that again, I don't get what you're saying, sorry.
 
You have PV = nRT. n and R are constant.
You also know V2/ V1 = (P1/P2)^y (do You understand what is y?)
From other angle P1/P2 = (T1*V2)/(T2*V1) (From ideal gas equation), isn't it?
So, know You can express T1/T2 through V1/V2.
 
No, I don't understand y
It says that y = Cp/Cv -- and then it lists values for real gasses, but this is a general gas

I see what you're saying for the second part, I guess I just am frustrated with looking at it.
 
As You have written "V2/ V1 = (P1/P2)^y", y =Cv/Cp. Usually is used gamma = Cp/Cv=1/y. did You get the answer?
 
Yeah, its gamma, I just don't know how to put gamma on the computer. Anyway, no, I am still very confused. Don't worry about it, I'll try to solve it, I guess I just don't know where to get started with all of these formulas. Thanks for the help though.
 

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