Thermo Exam Question: Estimate Temp & Pressure After Compression

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics exam question concerning the estimation of temperature and pressure after isentropic compression in a spark ignition engine. Participants explore two scenarios: one involving pure air with constant specific heat and the other involving a stoichiometric mixture of air and octane with variable specific heats. The focus is on applying isentropic relations to solve the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding isentropic processes in the context of the problem.
  • Another participant suggests that the compression ratio of 7:1 leads to a pressure of 7 bar, but this is challenged by a later post.
  • A participant provides isentropic relations for temperature and pressure calculations, noting that the compression ratio is a ratio of volumes, not pressures.
  • There is mention of using constant specific heats for part a and the need for variable specific heats for part b, with a suggestion to determine partial pressures and composition for the mixture.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach part b of the question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem, with differing views on the application of isentropic relations and the treatment of specific heats. Uncertainty remains regarding the calculations for part b.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for accurate calculations based on specific heats and the implications of using constant versus variable specific heats. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific heat values and the influence of the mixture composition.

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Hello.
I have a thermodynamics exam tomorrow. This is a past exam question and I'm not doing very well with it. If anyone has any ideas please help!

A charge enters a spark ignition engine at 330K and 1 bar, and is isentropically compressed through a ratio of 7:1. Estimate the temp and pressure at the end of the compression, taking the charge to be:
a) pure air with constant specific heat.
b) a stoichiometric mixture of air and octane(C8H18) with variable specific heats (neglect residual gases). :eek:
 
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Well, I guess the test was yesterday. How'd you do?

Anyway:

1) First of all, you must understand the significance of isentropic.

Then the compression is 7:1 so the charge, air, is compressed to 7 bar.

Then solve the temperature using the appropriate equation.

2) similar to 1) but now a mixture of stoichiometric mixture of air and octane(C8H18) - so determine the partial pressures and composition, which influences specific heat. Same compression ratio.
 
Astronuc said:
Well, I guess the test was yesterday. How'd you do?

Anyway:

1) First of all, you must understand the significance of isentropic.

Then the compression is 7:1 so the charge, air, is compressed to 7 bar.

Then solve the temperature using the appropriate equation.

2) similar to 1) but now a mixture of stoichiometric mixture of air and octane(C8H18) - so determine the partial pressures and composition, which influences specific heat. Same compression ratio.

That's not true. You need to use the isentropic relations. Compression ratio is a ratio of volumes, not pressures. The three isentropic relations are:
(T2/T1) = (v1/v2)^(k-1)
(T2/T1) = (P2/P1)^(k-1)/k
(P2/P1) = (v1/v2)^k
These are estimations based on constant specific heats. To be more accurate and use variable specific heats, you will need to use vr and Pr, relative specific volume and relative pressure. However, since the question says estimate, using the isentropic relations should be good. So, if (v1/v2) = 7, then P2 = P1*7^1.4 (k = 1.4 for air). Likewise, T2 = T1*7^0.4

As said in the other thread, I'm not 100% sure how to do part b off the top of my head.
 

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