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The discussion revolves around calculating the radius of a geosynchronous orbit for a satellite, specifically addressing the interpretation of distance from the Earth's center and the implications of orbital mechanics. The context includes the transmission of radio signals between two points near the North Pole.

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  • Participants explore the definition of the orbit radius and question whether it is measured from the Earth's center. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between gravitational forces and centripetal forces in the context of geosynchronous orbits. Some participants suggest using Kepler's laws to derive the radius based on the orbital period.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and clarifications regarding the calculations and concepts involved. There is a recognition of the need to consider both the gravitational and centripetal forces, as well as the orbital period, to arrive at a more accurate understanding of the radius calculation.

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There is mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the definition of distance for geosynchronous satellites, as well as the importance of considering the two-way path of the radio signal in transit time calculations.

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A satellite in geosynchronous orbit remains above the Earth's equator as the planet rotates on its axis.

a) calculate the radius of its orbit.

does this mean from the center of the earth?
I looked online and the distance is about 7 Earth radii, which would make the radius of the orbit 8 Earth radii. Earth's radius is 6.37x10^6m.. makeing the radius 5.096x10^7m.

what does it mean by calculate the orbit?

b) the satellite relays a radio signal from a transmitter near the noth pole to a receiver, also near the north pole. Traveling at the speed of light, how long is the radio wave in trasit?

d/v=t
[tex]d=\frac{\sqrt{r_{earth}^2+r_{satellite}^2}}{c}[/tex]
 
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UrbanXrisis said:
A satellite in geosynchronous orbit remains above the Earth's equator as the planet rotates on its axis.

a) calculate the radius of its orbit.

does this mean from the center of the earth?
I looked online and the distance is about 7 Earth radii, which would make the radius of the orbit 8 Earth radii. Earth's radius is 6.37x10^6m.. makeing the radius 5.096x10^7m.

what does it mean by calculate the orbit?

b) the satellite relays a radio signal from a transmitter near the noth pole to a receiver, also near the north pole. Traveling at the speed of light, how long is the radio wave in trasit?



d/v=t
[tex]d=\frac{\sqrt{r_{earth}^2+r_{satellite}^2}}{c}[/tex]
a) For use in formulas relating to gravitational forces and geosynchronous orbits, the orbit radius is that measured from the Earth's CENTER.
Hint: At what orbit radius will the gravitational force between Earth and satellite provide the exact centripetal force required for the satellite's rotational velocity "ω" (in radians/sec) to equal Earth's rotational "ω" (in radians/sec)??

b) Remember that the radio signal path is 2-way ("uplink" and "downlink").


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UrbanXrisis said:
A satellite in geosynchronous orbit remains above the Earth's equator as the planet rotates on its axis.

a) calculate the radius of its orbit.

does this mean from the center of the earth?
I looked online and the distance is about 7 Earth radii, which would make the radius of the orbit 8 Earth radii. Earth's radius is 6.37x10^6m.. makeing the radius 5.096x10^7m.

what does it mean by calculate the orbit?

b) the satellite relays a radio signal from a transmitter near the noth pole to a receiver, also near the north pole. Traveling at the speed of light, how long is the radio wave in trasit?

d/v=t
[tex]d=\frac{\sqrt{r_{earth}^2+r_{satellite}^2}}{c}[/tex]
You may have misunderstood what they meant by the 'distance' for a geosynchronous satellite. A geosynchronous satellite has an average radius of 42,164 km, or approximately 7 times the Earth's radius. In other words, they didn't mean for you to add that distance to the Earth's radius.

For your problem, multiplying the Earth's radius by 7 gets you an approximate answer, provided that's the way they want you to calculate the radius.

However, I'm not sure that's the way they wanted you to calculate the radius. Since you have thread about Kepler's Second Law, does that mean you learned Kepler's Third Law, as well? If so, in order for a satellite to stay over the same spot on the Earth, it must complete one orbit in the same amount of time the Earth completes one complete rotation (86164 seconds). The orbital period is known, so you can rearrange the equation for orbital period to solve for the radius, instead, and will come much closer to an accurate answer than the rough approximation you found online.
 
thx with the help...
[tex]\frac{GM}{r^2}=\frac{4r \pi^2}{T^2}[/tex]

that's the equation I was trying to figure out
 

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