Masses connected by string/rod

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The discussion revolves around simulating two point masses connected by a massless string or rod in a game. Participants explore the calculation of forces exerted on each mass by the connecting element, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the simulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the force exerted on each mass by the string or rod, noting uncertainty in deriving this from the velocities of the opposite mass.
  • Another participant suggests that the force can be calculated based on the movement of the attached mass, explaining the differences in dynamics between a rod and a string, particularly regarding fixed and variable interobject distances.
  • A later reply acknowledges the importance of the center of mass in the calculations and expresses a preference for using a rod for simplicity in the simulation.
  • Another participant counters that working with a string may actually be easier and expresses a preference for that approach instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on whether to use a rod or a string for the simulation, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations needed for the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the system's dynamics, such as the fixed distance in the case of a rod and the variable distance for a string. There are also references to the center of mass and angular motion equations, but these concepts are not fully explored or resolved.

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Hi,

I'm making a game and could do with a hand working out how to simulate the main element of it. I'm sure I should be able to work this out, it seems relativly simple, but I'm so out of practice the solutions eluding me.

I need to simulate two point masses connected by a massless string or rod (it doesn't matter which; so whichever's easiest). I'm fine with the basics of moving them about but can't figure out how to calculate the force exerted on each mass by the string/rod. I guess it'd be derived from the velocities of the opposite mass but further than that I'm stuck.

Can anyone help?
 
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actually the force acting on the mass can be calculated from a movement of the attached mass. That is not exactly useless because you can define the movement. In the case of the rod the situation is fairly simple- the 3D translation plus rotation with respect to the center of mass; The interobject distance is fixed.

For a string the situation is slightly mor complicated, because the interobject distance is not fixed. The force should, however, act along the string, so we can use the second Newton's law.

Let's consider , for example, a case when two masses are at rest and one mass gets an impuls in an arbitrary direction. It will move freely until the distance between the masses wil be equal to the string length. Then the impulse perpendicular to the string will remain unchanged (no force is acting in that direction). As to the implulse along the string, we can consider this as an impact along the string, so we can find the impulses after the impact. It will be also a good idea to use the inertial system where the total impulse is zero, because it should remain zero unless an external force is acting on our objects.
 
Ah, of course. I was forgetting all about the system having a centre of mass, silly me. Think I'll use the rod version for simplicity (not just calculations - drawing a slack string right would be nasty), maybe I'll do it with string in the next version.

Now all I've got to do is dig out the angular motion equations.

Thanks for that.
 
Heh. Actually I think it's easier to work out what's going on with string. Think I'll go with that instead.
 

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