Transform this to an easier integral?

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving the equation of motion for a system and the potential energy of a particle. The original poster poses questions about finding the frequency of oscillations and transforming a specific integral related to action-angle variables.

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  • Participants discuss the challenges of solving a nonlinear equation of motion and the implications for small oscillations. There are attempts to manipulate an integral involving a square root in the integrand to facilitate easier evaluation. Questions arise about the conditions under which action-angle variables can be applied.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the integral and suggested potential manipulations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to transform the integral for further analysis, with no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

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The original poster notes that the integral yields infinite results when evaluated over a complete period, indicating potential issues with the setup or assumptions. There is also mention of a hint regarding the manipulation of the integrand to simplify the integral.

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I have three questions about a problem in mechanics


1. If you have found the equation of motion for a system

[tex] <br /> m\ddot{x} + \frac {2ax_0^2} {x^3} = 0<br /> [/tex]

where a and x0 are constants.
and you want to find the frequency of oscillations which ansatz should you make. You can't use x = A*exp(iwt)...i think.

2. If a particle of mass m moves in one dimension subject to the potential

[tex] <br /> V = \frac {a} {[sin(x/x_0)]^2} <br /> [/tex]

Under what conditions can action-angle variables be used?

3.

If you have an integral where the integrand is

[tex] <br /> \sqrt{2m*(b - \frac{a}{[sin(x/x_0)]^2})}<br /> [/tex]

how could you transform this to an easier integral?
When i integrate over a complete period ,0 pi, with MATLAB i get an infinite answer, of course. I guess that question number 2 could help me with this...but I am not sure.

Any ideas?

Thank you.
 
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For the first,your equation is awfully nonlinear,therefore u can't use solutions which span the space of solution for a linear one...That [itex]x^{-3}[/itex] doesn't look good at all,u can't even expand it in harmonics...

Daniel.
 
1. Can be solved analytically:
[tex]m\ddot{x}+\frac{ax_{0}^{2}}{x^{3}}=0, x(0)=\hat{x}_{0},\dot{x}(0)=v_{0}[/tex]
Multiply with [tex]\dot{x}[/tex] and integrate:
[tex]\frac{m}{2}\dot{x}^{2}-\frac{ax_{0}^{2}}{x^{2}}=\frac{B}{2},\frac{B}{2}=\frac{m}{2}v_{0}^{2}-\frac{ax_{0}^{2}}{\hat{x}_{0}^{2}}[/tex]
Multiply the equation with [tex]x^{2}=2y(t)[/tex]:
[tex]\frac{m}{2}(\frac{dy}{dt})^{2}=By+C, C=\frac{ax_{0}^{2}}{\hat{x}_{0}^{2}}[/tex]
Or semi-finally:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}=\pm\sqrt{Ay+D}[/tex]
for appropriate constants A,D.
This can be worked with more, if you like, but I don't think solving the damn thing was the question..:wink:
 
yeah that's right...i must have been tired yesterday. :smile:

But question 1 was really only to check the answer for small oscillations.

The problem is to find the frequency of oscillations with the action-angle variables method for a particle of mass m moving in the potential

[tex]V = \frac {a} {[sin(x/x_0)]^2}[/tex]

With

[tex]H = \frac {p^2} {2m} + V = \alpha[/tex]

the constant action variable J is give by

[tex] J = \int p dq = \int \sqrt{2m*(\alpha - \frac{a}{[sin(x/x_0)]^2})} dx[/tex]

where the integration is to be carried over a complete period.

then

[tex] \alpha = H = H(J)[/tex]

and

the frequency of oscillation is

[tex] \frac {dH} {dJ}[/tex]

So as soon i know that integral the problem is solved.

the problem has a hint:
The integral for J can be evaluated by manipulating the integrand so that the square root appears in the denominator.

But i don't understand how you should do this
 
Your integral can be put under the form

[tex]\sqrt{2m}\int\sqrt{\alpha-\frac{a}{\sin^{2}\frac{x}{x_{0}}}} \ dx[/tex]

which by a redefinition of constants can be proportional to

[tex]\int \sqrt{a-\frac{b}{\sin^{2}\frac{x}{c}}} \ dx[/tex]

which is evaluated by Mathematica to be (see attached thumbnail).

Daniel.
 

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Thanks. But i need to solve for [tex]\alpha[/tex] when i have solved the integral.

JohanL said:
[tex] J = \int p dq = \int \sqrt{2m*(\alpha - \frac{a}{[sin(x/x_0)]^2})} dx[/tex]

where the integration is to be carried over a complete period.

then

[tex] \alpha = H = H(J)[/tex]

and that will not be easy with the expression mathematica gives.
There must be some clever substitution.

the problem has a hint:
The integral for J can be evaluated by manipulating the integrand so that the square root appears in the denominator.

I only get strange results tho...
 

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