How can I use integration by parts to find the integral of a product?

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The discussion revolves around the technique of integration by parts (IBP) and its application to finding the integral of a product, specifically the integral of the function x*sqrt(1+x) dx. Participants explore various methods, including substitution and tabular integration, while expressing confusion over notation and the best approach to take.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to find the integral of a product, expressing confusion over the notation involved.
  • Another participant explains the formula for integration by parts, stating that it is derived from the product rule for differentiation and provides an example using the integral of x(1+x)^(1/2) dx.
  • A different participant suggests that integration by parts may not be the best method for the given integral, proposing a substitution method instead, which simplifies the integral significantly.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of tabular integration as an alternative approach, outlining the steps involved in this method.
  • One participant inquires about a specific case in integration by parts where the integral of udv results in a known value, indicating a potential area of interest or confusion.
  • A participant references the relationship between differentiation and integration, suggesting a connection to the product rule.
  • Another participant reiterates the definition of integration by parts and its relationship to the product rule, emphasizing its application in the current context.
  • One participant notes that tabular integration is a method that can simplify repeated applications of integration by parts.

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Participants express differing opinions on the best method to approach the integral in question, with some advocating for integration by parts and others suggesting substitution or tabular integration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal technique to use.

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Participants highlight various methods without reaching a consensus on which is superior, indicating that the choice of technique may depend on individual preferences or specific conditions of the integral.

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How do you find the integral of a product, say x*sqrt(1+x) dx...


I am very confuzed with all the notation is involved, can someone explain and do a few examples? Thanks.
 
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"The Product Rule" for integration can be loosely said to be Integration by Parts. Actually, IBP is derived from the product rule for differentiation.

IBP is: ∫udv=uv-∫vdu. One does this with the hope that ∫vdu is easier than ∫udv.

To do ∫x(1+x)1/2dx, let u=x and dv=(1+x)1/2dx.

Then du=dx and v=(2/3)(1+x)3/2, so and IBP says that:

∫x(1+x)1/2dx=(2/3)x(1+x)3/2-(2/3)∫(1+x)3/2dx

And the integral on the right hand side is easy to do.
 
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Yes, integration by parts is the "product rule in reverse".

However, for this example, I don't think that's what you would want to use. For the problem ∫x(x+1)1/2dx, it's not the product that is the problem: x(x1/2 would be easy enough: it's that "x+1" inside the root. I would make the easy substitution
u= x+1. Then du= dx. Of course, x is now u- 1 but that's easy- it's to the first power. x(x+1)1/2= (u+1)u1/2=
u3/2+ u1/2 so

∫x(x+1)1/2dx= ∫(u3/2+ u1/2)du= (2/5)u5/2+ (2/3)u3/2+ C= (2/5)(x+1)5/2+ (2/3)(x+1)3/2+ C which, I think you will find, is exactly what Hurkyl's method gives.
 
You could solve your integral by tabular integration.

[inte](x(1 + x)(1/2)dx

Essentially, you have two functions, x and (1 + x)(1/2)

Take the consecutive derivatives of x and consecutive integrals of
(1 + x)(1/2)

Column A
row 1: x
row 2: 1
row 3: 0

Column B
row 1: (1 + x)(1/2)
row 2: (2/3)(1 + x)(3/2)
row 3: (4/15)(1 + x)(5/2)

Now, I'll multiply column A, row 1, with column B, row 2. Then I'll subtract the product of column A, row 2 and column B and row 3 (subtraction simply because we alternate signs).

In tabular integration, you'll find the consecutive derivative of one function and the consecutive integrals of the other functions. It only works if you have a derivative that will eventually become zero and an integral that you can actually obtain.

So in our example, the integral will be:
x(2/3)(1 + x)(3/2) - (4/15)(1 + x)(5/2) + C

EDIT: syntax error
 
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Okay, so we have the tabular method, where [inte]vdu zero's out and we arrive at the the answer. Is there a name for the other case of IBP, where we will end up with some value 2([inte]udv)=(some known value ) ?
 
Can't it be something related to

d/dx (uv) = uv' + vu'??

since integral of uv is F(x), d/dx F(x) = uv
 
I think what you are looking for is to use "Integration by parts" to do this question. Tom has already demonstrated it.

originally posted by Tom
IBP is: ∫udv=uv-∫vdu. One does this with the hope that ∫vdu is easier than ∫udv.
IBP means integration by parts.
 
"integration by parts" is basically the opposite of "the product rule" for differentiation.

The "tabular integration" mentioned above is a method of regularizing repeated integration by parts.
 

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