Spin/angular momentum question

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The discussion centers on the nature of spin and angular momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically regarding whether a definite spin state can always be found for particles with spin 1/2 and spin 1, as well as for an electron in a hydrogen atom in a superposition state. The scope includes theoretical considerations and interpretations of quantum measurement.

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  • One participant questions if an axis can always be found for an electron in an arbitrary spin state such that the spin is definitively 1/2, and similarly for spin 1 particles, suggesting the possibility of superpositions along all axes.
  • Another participant asserts that it is always possible to find an axis where the spin is an eigenstate, implying a change of basis in spin space resolves the issue.
  • A different participant challenges this view, suggesting that the discussion pertains to the collapse of an entangled state and emphasizes the role of measurement in determining the state of a quantum system.
  • The original poster clarifies that their question is unrelated to disentanglement and measurement, indicating a focus on the theoretical aspects of spin states.

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There is disagreement among participants regarding the nature of spin states and the implications of measurement. Some participants believe that a definite spin state can always be found, while others argue that the situation involves complexities related to measurement and entanglement.

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Participants express differing interpretations of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the implications of measurement and the nature of superposition. The discussion does not resolve these interpretations or clarify the assumptions underlying each viewpoint.

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For an electron in an arbitrary spin state, can an axis always be found along which the spin is 1/2 (as opposed to a superposition of 1/2 and -1/2 spins)? What about particles whose spin is 1 or greater? For example, for a spin 1 particle which is in an arbitrary spin state, can one always find an axis along which the spin is either 1 or 0. Or is it possible for a spin 1 particle to be in such a state that it's spin is a superposition of spin 1,0,-1 states along every axis? Moving on to angular momentum, if an electron in a hydrogen atom is in the n=2, l=1 state and in a superposition: a|1>+b|0>+c|-1> where |1>, |0>, |-1> are the eigenstates of L sub z, and a,b,c are arbitrary constants, can one always find an axis along which the angular momentum has a definite value (either 1, 0, or -1) and is not a superposition of states? (I assume that whatever is true for a spin 1 particle is also true for the n=2, l=1 state of the H atom).
 
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I think the answer to all your questions is "yes". You can always find an axis where the spin (whatever it is) is an eigenstate along that axis, and not a superposition. Mathematically, the process of finding the axis is equivalent to changing the basis of the spin space.
 
Nope,what you're trying to describe is a collapse of an initially entagled state.According to the V-th postulate,the state after measurement will be an eigenstate of the measured observable.

We can't know s*** about a quantum system,before any measurement...

Daniel.

EDIT:I still think he was trying to describe disentanglement. :confused:
 
Dextercioby, my question had nothing to do with disentanglement and measurement.
EDIT: How do you know that I'm a "he"? Well, I am, but you couldn't have known that.
 
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