How Does Bending Affect the Shape of a Clamped Rod with a Mass?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Logistics
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a clamped rod with a mass attached at its upper end. The problem is framed within the context of differential equations, specifically focusing on the bending behavior of the rod as described by a second-order differential equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of variables and the resulting differential equation. There are attempts to relate the problem to harmonic motion, with some participants questioning the differentiation process and the implications of the derived equations.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the mathematical formulation and seeking clarification on the steps involved in solving the differential equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the equation and its relation to harmonic oscillators, but no consensus has been reached on the solution process.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic, indicating that some may not have encountered similar problems in their coursework. There is a mention of the instructor's teaching approach not aligning with the participants' understanding, which may affect their ability to engage with the problem effectively.

Logistics
Messages
30
Reaction score
0
Hey guys this is my question

----------------------------------------------------------------------

A long thin rod is clamped vertically at its lower end and a mass M is attached to its upper end. The coordinates (x, y) of any point on it satisfy the equation

[tex]EI\frac{d^2x}{dy^2} = Mg(a-x)[/tex]

where E, I and a are constants. Given that x = 0 when y = 0 and x = a when y = L show that

[tex]x = a [1- \frac{sin\omega(L-y)}{sin\omega L}][/tex]

where [tex]\omega^2 = \frac{Mg}{EI}[/tex]. (Hint: Let z = a - x).

----------------------------------------------------------------------


Now I have got this here:

[tex]z = a - x \Rightarrow \frac{dz}{dy} = -\frac{dx}{dy} \Rightarrow \frac{d^2z}{dy^2} = -\frac{d^2x}{dy^2}[/tex]

Thus:

[tex]EI\left(-\frac{d^2z}{dy^2}\right) = Mgz[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2z}{dy^2} + \frac{Mg}{EI}z = 0[/tex]


I'm thinking that it's correct so far, How would I solve that?. ie. Continue on from here


Could someone help me out please


Thanks
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Logistics said:
Hey guys this is my question

----------------------------------------------------------------------

A long thin rod is clamped vertically at its lower end and a mass M is attached to its upper end. The coordinates (x, y) of any point on it satisfy the equation

[tex]EI\frac{d^2x}{dy^2} = Mg(a-x)[/tex]

where E, I and a are constants. Given that x = 0 when y = 0 and x = a when y = L show that

[tex]x = a [1- \frac{sin\omega(L-y)}{sin\omega L}][/tex]

where [tex]\omega^2 = \frac{Mg}{EI}[/tex]. (Hint: Let z = a - x).

----------------------------------------------------------------------


Now I have got this here:

[tex]z = a - x \Rightarrow \frac{dz}{dy} = -\frac{dx}{dy} \Rightarrow \frac{d^2z}{dy^2} = -\frac{d^2x}{dy^2}[/tex]

Thus:

[tex]EI\left(-\frac{d^2z}{dy^2}\right) = Mgz[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2z}{dy^2} + \frac{Mg}{EI}z = 0[/tex]


I'm thinking that it's correct so far, and by differentiating the equation above I should get my answer. But I have no idea how to differentiate that thing above :(


Could someone help me out please


Thanks

Assuming what you have done is correct, the equation you have generated for z is a well known equation. If y were time, your equation would be saying acceleration is proportional to minus the displacement. This is the equation of a harmonic oscillator. Assume z as a function of y is harmonic (sine or cosine of ky) and take two derivatives. It will all fall into place.
 
So I get this ?

z = a - x = a*sinw(L-y) / sinwL

dz/dy = -w*acosw(L-y) / sinwL

d^2z/dy^2 = -w^2*asinw(L-y) / sinwL

= -w^2 * 2


If this is what you were referring to, what happens now ?
 
[tex]\frac{d^2z}{dy^2} + Cz = 0[/tex] [tex]C=\frac{Mg}{EI}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d^2z}{dy^2} =-Cz[/tex]
[tex]z(y)=?[/tex]
 
I'm not following :(((
 
It's hard to give any help without knowing what background you have, what kind of course, this is, etc. In particular, it seems very peculiar that you would be doing a problem like this without know how to solve a linear second order differential equation with constant coefficients.
 
HallsofIvy said:
It's hard to give any help without knowing what background you have, what kind of course, this is, etc. In particular, it seems very peculiar that you would be doing a problem like this without know how to solve a linear second order differential equation with constant coefficients.

We have studied the things you just mentioned. linear, 2nd order, homogenous, inhomogenous, auxillary equations etc.


It's just we never did anything like that, we were always dive, simpler questions. The lecturer just isn't on the same level as we are :(


Edit: If someone did the working out, I'm sure I could figure it out and next time be able to do it myself :)
 
OlderDan was trying to point out that the resulting equation was similar to that of a harmonic oscillator. da_willem then showed you the final differential equation you needed to solve to find z(y). The final result should be very similar to the equations of SHM.

I haven't taken Diff Eq so I can't be more specific, sorry.
 
Logistics said:
So I get this ?

z = a - x = a*sinw(L-y) / sinwL

dz/dy = -w*acosw(L-y) / sinwL

d^2z/dy^2 = -w^2*asinw(L-y) / sinwL

= -w^2 * 2


If this is what you were referring to, what happens now ?

Where did the *2 come from? You mean *z. So

d^2z/dy^2 + w^2*z = 0

Compare this to your DE and identify omega. Put your expression for z into the defining equation for z and solve it for x.
 

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
5K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K