Time dilation and radioactive decay

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between time dilation and radioactive decay rates, particularly in the context of the twins paradox. Participants explore whether time dilation affects how decay rates are perceived by observers in different reference frames, with a focus on carbon-14 decay.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether time dilation affects radioactive decay rates, suggesting that if a traveling twin returns after 2000 Earth years, they would be carbon dated at over 2000 years old.
  • Another participant asserts that time dilation does affect radioactive decay rates, emphasizing that it depends on who is observing the clock.
  • A third participant agrees with the assertion that time dilation affects decay rates but expresses confusion over a specific experiment that seemed to indicate no effect was observed.
  • Participants reference a link discussing muon decay and the lack of additional effects from acceleration, which they interpret as evidence for the complexities involved in understanding time dilation and decay rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether time dilation affects radioactive decay rates. Some participants argue that it does, while others reference evidence suggesting no observable effect in certain contexts, leading to ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of experimental results and the implications for time dilation and decay rates, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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Does time dilation effect radioactive decay rates? A quick search on google seems to say no. This would imply that if the twins paradox was executed, that when the traveling twin returned home, after say 2000 Earth years have passed, we would carbon date him at 2000+ years old.

What would this traveling twin observe from a container of say carbon14 from his reference frame traveling with him? Would he see it decay at an accelerated rate? I ask this because if he saw it decay at a "normal to him" rate then the container would contain more C-14 than we are expecting when he returns.

Please don't post tons of complicated math if at all possible as it probably won't make much sense to me.

Every time I think I'm starting to understand this stuff I find out how wrong I am :frown:
 
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GOD__AM said:
Does time dilation effect radioactive decay rates?
Yes, it does. Just remember: time dilation depends most on who is holding the clock...

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/New_and_Exciting_Physics/Relativity/20021019150128.htm

Also, as a rule of thumb, the answer to a "Does time dilation affect...?" question is always YES!
 
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russ_watters said:
Yes, it does. Just remember: time dilation depends most on who is holding the clock...

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/section/New_and_Exciting_Physics/Relativity/20021019150128.htm

Also, as a rule of thumb, the answer to a "Does time dilation affect...?" question is always YES!


Thats one of the links I read also, only I got from it that there is no difference in decay rates. Posibly I am just reading it wrong, but this line is what makes me think they are saying no;

Quote from link: The acceleration of the muons around the ring in the 1966 experiment I have access to in this context was 5x10**20 cm/sec**2, or 5x10^17 times that of gravity (a trillion times more than you suggest)! No effect was seen (Farley, 1966).

What does he mean no effect was seen?
 
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GOD__AM said:
What does he mean no effect was seen?
The question in that link is about whether, apart from the time dilation based on velocity, there might be additional effects due to acceleration. As they say in the answer, "They have measured the time dilation factor due to the fact that the muons are moving to a few parts per million, with no evidence for any additional effect from the acceleration. An effect seen would have violated general relativity. "
 
JesseM said:
The question in that link is about whether, apart from the time dilation based on velocity, there might be additional effects due to acceleration. As they say in the answer, "They have measured the time dilation factor due to the fact that the muons are moving to a few parts per million, with no evidence for any additional effect from the acceleration. An effect seen would have violated general relativity. "

Thanks it makes sense now.
 

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