Sponaneous Combustion: What Is It & Does It Kill?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spontaneous combustion, exploring its definition, potential causes, and implications, including whether it can be lethal. Participants share personal experiences and theoretical insights related to both organic materials and the phenomenon of spontaneous human combustion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe personal experiences with spontaneous combustion in compost piles, suggesting that fermentation may lead to heat buildup, though this theory is contested due to the potential for heat to kill microbes.
  • One participant recounts an incident involving linseed oil igniting spontaneously due to auto-oxidation, highlighting the conditions under which certain materials can combust.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of spontaneous human combustion, noting common factors in reported cases, such as the mobility of individuals and the presence of a fire source.
  • There is a discussion about the fermentation process in hay bales, with questions raised about whether alcohol production occurs uniformly throughout the mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the causes and implications of spontaneous combustion, with no clear consensus reached on the theories presented. The discussion includes both anecdotal evidence and theoretical considerations, indicating ongoing debate.

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Participants acknowledge that certain assumptions about microbial activity and combustion processes may be incomplete or require further exploration. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of spontaneous combustion phenomena.

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Individuals interested in combustion processes, organic chemistry, and anecdotal accounts of spontaneous combustion may find this discussion relevant.

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What is spontaneous combudtion? does it kill? And, what does it look like?
 
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My grandfather was an avid gardner. I remember him making a huge pile of compost from sheep manure, straw and lawn clippings. I was conscripted into gardening duty one summer day, assigned to spread compost around the melon mounds. After removing a few pitch forks from the mound, smoke emanated from the cavity. I then observed a dry leaf burst into flames when it fell into the smoking cavity. In the farm belt, barn fires have been blamed on spontaneous combustion of green hay bales. In theory, fermentation is the cause of the heat build up. It is a controversial theory because the same heat would kill the responsible microbes. But I have seen it, hence believe it possible.
 
Linseed oil, alkyd enamel resins, and some drying oils can ignite spontaneously due to auto-oxidation {just being exposed to air}.
When I was in high school art class a linseed oil soaked rag was tossed in the waste basket, a few hours later it went up in flames.
 
when i saw the original post, i thought of spontaneous human combustion..

keep in mind that a human being (and most animals for that matter), being composed of sugars and fatty acids, are combustable. Ever observed a grease fire while grilling? The net oxidation of glucose down to CO2 is a highly exothermic process, releasing a great deal of energy in the form of heat. It is only because we have very specialized enzymatic pathways in our cells that this reaction proceeds in little steps at a time, so that the energy can be harvested and the process regulated. Likewise for the beta-oxidation of fatty acids.

It has since been noticed that cases of human combustion all had several variables in common: people who were non-mobile (usually older or disabled individuals) and a source of fire.
 
quetzalcoatl9, shhhh...
 
Chronos said:
In the farm belt, barn fires have been blamed on spontaneous combustion of green hay bales. In theory, fermentation is the cause of the heat build up. It is a controversial theory because the same heat would kill the responsible microbes. But I have seen it, hence believe it possible.
Very cool story.

Fermentation would mean that alcohol would have been produced wouldn't it? I wouldn't think this would take place in the whole mass of hay at once. While some microbes die soon, others would still be generating heat at the periphery.
 
I have experienced the compost mound phenomena too when I was a kid! My dad actually cooked an egg in there, but there were no sheep droppings, so don't give me that disgusted look! :P
 
I hope this returns what I intended it to.

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