Potential due to point charges

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The discussion revolves around calculating the voltage required to accelerate a proton to penetrate a silicon nucleus, considering the charges and radii of both particles. The context involves concepts from electrostatics and potential energy related to point charges.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the potential energy of charges at specific distances and question the interpretation of "just penetrate" in relation to the radii of the proton and silicon nucleus. There are attempts to relate the model answer to the equation for electric potential.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants expressing confusion about the model answer and the calculations involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of distances and the application of relevant equations.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the exponent in the model answer and the assumption that the distance starts from infinity. Participants also note the need to consider the sum of the radii of the proton and silicon nucleus in their calculations.

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How much voltage must be used to accerlerate a proton (radius 1.2E-15 m) so that it has sufficient energy to just penetrate a silicon nucleus? A silicon nucleus has a charge of +14e, and its radius is about 3.6E-15 m. Assume the potential is that for point charges.
 
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crazy student said:
How much voltage must be used to accerlerate a proton (radius 1.2E-15 m) so that it has sufficient energy to just penetrate a silicon nucleus? A silicon nucleus has a charge of +14e, and its radius is about 3.6E-15 m. Assume the potential is that for point charges.
What is the potential energy of a charge q1 a distance r from another charge q2? What is the potential energy of a proton whose surface is situated 3.6E-15 m. from the centre of a silicon nucleus?

AM
 
that's all from the question given...
I think it suppose r starts from infinity
but i can't get to the model ans 4.2E-6 J
 
crazy student said:
that's all from the question given...
I think it suppose r starts from infinity
but i can't get to the model ans 4.2E-6 J

You need to check the exponent in that answer, and you need to interpret "just penetrate" as the outer surface of the proton just barely penetrating the outer surface of the silicon nucleus.
 
sorry, it should be 4.2E6 J
I found the question quite confusing also...
from the model ans and equation V = KQ/r
r = 4.8E-15 m, which is the sum of proton and silicon nucleus radii
but i don't know the reason behind...
 
crazy student said:
sorry, it should be 4.2E6 J
I found the question quite confusing also...
from the model ans and equation V = KQ/r
r = 4.8E-15 m, which is the sum of proton and silicon nucleus radii
but i don't know the reason behind...
The force between charges depends on the distance from the centre of the charge. The electric field of a charge is given by Gauss' law, which states that the field depends only on the enclosed charge:

[tex]\int_S E\cdot dA = \frac{q_{encl}}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]

For a sphere:

[tex]\int_S E\cdot dA = 4\pi r^2E = \frac{q_{encl}}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]

[tex]E = \frac{q_{encl}}{4\pi \epsilon_0 r^2} = \frac{kq_{encl}}{r^2}[/tex]

So if you assume that a proton and a silicon nucleus are uniform spheres, the field at their surface depends only upon the distance of that surface from the respective centres.

AM
 

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