Explaining Energy Transfer on Earth

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of energy transfer on Earth, particularly focusing on how energy from the sun enters the atmosphere, transforms into various forms, and the implications for energy balance and temperature regulation. The scope includes theoretical considerations of thermodynamics and radiation, as well as conceptual clarifications regarding seasonal temperature variations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries whether all energy entering Earth eventually becomes part of the electromagnetic (EM) spectrum and leaves, or if there is a net build-up of energy.
  • Another participant explains that Earth is in rough thermal equilibrium, balancing incoming energy from sunlight and internal heating with outgoing heat through radiation.
  • A participant notes that the frequency of radiation emitted by Earth depends on its temperature, which adjusts until the rate of heat loss matches the rate of heat gain.
  • One participant suggests that the sunny side of Earth absorbs energy mainly in the visible spectrum, while the dark side radiates infrared energy, affecting temperature based on day length.
  • Another participant proposes that sunlight peaks in the UV range, but emphasizes that seasonal temperature differences are specific to hemispheres and do not affect the overall energy balance of the Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the specifics of energy absorption and radiation, with some agreeing on the general principles of thermal equilibrium while others raise questions about the details of energy transfer and seasonal effects. No consensus is reached on whether all energy ultimately becomes part of the EM spectrum or if there is a net energy build-up.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the relationship between incoming solar energy and outgoing radiation without resolving the complexities of energy transformations and the implications for Earth's temperature regulation. Assumptions about thermal equilibrium and seasonal variations are present but not fully explored.

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just a quick query, i hope you physics folk can explain

If all of the energy that enters Earth comes form EM waves from the sun and once inside the atmosphere the waves change into all different forms of energy (ie heat Ek electrical). Doesnt it make sense to prevent a build up of energy in Earth an equal amount of energy must leave earth, and the only way i know of energy escaping Earth is via more EM waves.

Does this mean that all energy eventually becomes part of the EM spectrum and leaves, or is there a net build up of total energy or is there simply some physics phenomonia I am unaware of
 
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just a quick query, i hope you physics folk can explain

If all of the energy that enters Earth comes form EM waves from the sun and once inside the atmosphere the waves change into all different forms of energy (ie heat Ek electrical). Doesnt it make sense to prevent a build up of energy in Earth an equal amount of energy must leave earth, and the only way i know of energy escaping Earth is via more EM waves.

Does this mean that all energy eventually becomes part of the EM spectrum and leaves, or is there a net build up of total energy or is there simply some physics phenomonia I am unaware of

Pretty much. The Earth is in rough thermal equilibrium. It has two main sources of heat, sunlight, and internal heating. If its temperature is not to continually increase then it must get rid of heat at the same rate that those two sources provide it.

The only way for a body in empty space (approximately true for the earth) to get rid of heat is by radiation. By a law of physics, the frequency of the radiation, and so the energy density or efficiency of radiation for removing heat, depends on the temperature. So the temperature of the Earth will rise until its own radiation (max in the infra-red) takes away heat at the same rate as the two sources supply it. As soon as this condition is reached, and as long as it is maintained, the overall temperature will stay constant.

As I said, that is roughly the situation we are in.
 
Essentially, while the sunny side is soaking up energy mainly in the visible spectrum (Is this correct? Perhaps others will correct me if it is not.) The dark side is radiating infra red, according to local surface temperatures. The longer the night, the more heat that is lost. This is why summers are hot and winters are colder. Long days and short nights mean net gain in energy, the temperature increases. In the winter,long nights and short days, a net loss of energy, the temperature decreases.
 
I think that the light from the sun is peaked in the UV range somewhere; it is at a pretty high temperature.

The summer winter thing is specific to a hemisphere, but the overall Earth doesn't see any net difference from one season to the next. It is summer in Australia when it is winter in Texas.
 

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