Simplifying Factorials: General Guidelines for Calculus III

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simplifying factorials in the context of sequences and series, particularly for applications in Calculus III. Participants seek general guidelines for handling factorial expressions, especially when applying the ratio test for convergence or divergence of series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for general guidelines on simplifying factorials, specifically in relation to the series \(\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{n!}{1000^nn^{1000}}\).
  • Another participant questions the definition of factorials, suggesting that \((n+1)! = (n+1) \times n!\) and seeks clarification on this relationship.
  • A participant attempts to simplify \((2(n+1))!\) and questions at what point the factorial symbol can be removed, leading to a discussion about the correct expression \((2n+2)! = (2n+2)(2n+1)!\).
  • There is a correction regarding the simplification of factorials, with emphasis on the importance of parentheses in expressions like \(\frac{2(n+1)!}{(n+1)^{n+1}}\frac{n^n}{2n!}\).
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their previous simplification attempt and expresses confidence in their understanding after receiving feedback.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the simplification of factorials, with multiple competing views and corrections presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the proper simplification techniques and the conditions under which factorials can be manipulated. There are unresolved questions regarding the application of the ratio test and the handling of factorial expressions.

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I need some general guidelines on how to simplify factorials. I'm in Calculus III

and the Prof. and unfoutunately our textbook has glossed over how to do this.

All the factorials we are dealing with now are in relation to sequences and series.

so I'm dealing with expressions that look like this:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{n!}{1000^nn^{1000}}[/tex]


[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{n!}{1000^nn^{1000}}[/tex]


If i were to use the ratio test to see if the above series converged or diverged. How would i simplify the factorials?

I know how to apply the ratio test. I need to know the general rule(s) for simplifying factorials.

If anyone knows of a link of or a free e-book or anything that would help me out i'd really appreciate it.
 
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What is n factorail? What is n+1 factorial? Hint: (n+1)! = (n+1) times what? Actually that's more than a hint isn't it?
 
matt grime said:
What is n factorail? What is n+1 factorial? Hint: (n+1)! = (n+1) times what? Actually that's more than a hint isn't it?

is this correct? (n+1)!= n(n+1)
 
how would i simplify? (2(n+1))! does it equal this?(2n+2)!=(2n+1)(2n)! at what stage of the simplification process does the ! symbol go away?
 
RadiationX said:
is this correct? (n+1)!= n(n+1)

no but conceivably that's a typo. what is n!, what is (n+1)! write it out for small n if need be.
 
RadiationX said:
how would i simplify? (2(n+1))! does it equal this?(2n+2)!=(2n+1)(2n)! at what stage of the simplification process does the ! symbol go away?


No, and her'es the answer.

(2n+2)! = (2n+2)*(2n+1)!

who knows when it goes away since you've not said what you're trying to cancel it by.
 
I need to simplify this last week and i did not do it correctly. So my questions are stemming from using the ratio test to find if a series converges or diverges. this one for example:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{(2n)!}{n^n}[/tex] I thought that i could use the ratio test to write the following:


[tex]\frac{2(n+1)!}{(n+1)^{n+1}}\frac{n^n}{2n!}[/tex]

but the above rewrite is incorrect i was told.
 
RadiationX said:
[tex]\frac{2(n+1)!}{(n+1)^{n+1}}\frac{n^n}{2n!}[/tex]

I told you this wasn't correct because you've neglected some parentheses. I wasn't sure if you understood that you were getting at (2n+2)! and not something incorrect. As you've written it, 2(n+1)!, it equals (n+1)!*2 not the (2n+2)! = (2n+2)(2n+1)(2n)! that you want. You must write either (2n+2)! or (2(n+1))!.

--J
 
I see my mistake now. and i think that i know how to simplify this.
 

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