What is the relationship between pressure and density in a body of water?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressure and density in water, specifically in the context of calculating the density of water at a depth of 200 meters in a lake. The original poster attempts to connect the bulk modulus of water to changes in density due to pressure variations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the bulk modulus and its implications for density changes. Questions arise regarding the necessity and feasibility of using integration to relate pressure and density, with some expressing confusion about the integration concept in the context of their coursework.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the problem without using integration, with some participants suggesting approximations. Guidance is offered on calculating pressure at a specific depth using simpler methods, while acknowledging that the area used in calculations can be arbitrary.

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Some participants note that integration has not been covered in their class, which raises concerns about its applicability to the problem at hand. This constraint influences the discussion on how to approach the calculations effectively.

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An incerase of pressure of one atmosphere, causes a reduction of [tex]49*10^-^6m^3[/tex] in a volume of [tex]1m^3[/tex] Give the value of the bulk-modulus of water. Calculate the denisty of the water of a lake, at a depth of 200 metres, assuming that the density of water is [tex]1000kgm^-^3[/tex] at the surface.

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Calculating the bulk modulus was pretty easy, gives a value of [tex]2.04*10^9Nm^-^2[/tex], but i don't really know how to relate this to a change in the denisty over a given depth... seems like an integration over a rate of change with density, but the question can't involve doing that. confused.. :\ help appreciated.
 
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fasterthanjoao said:
An incerase of pressure of one atmosphere, causes a reduction of [tex]49*10^-^6m^3[/tex] in a volume of [tex]1m^3[/tex] Give the value of the bulk-modulus of water. Calculate the denisty of the water of a lake, at a depth of 200 metres, assuming that the density of water is [tex]1000kgm^-^3[/tex] at the surface.

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Calculating the bulk modulus was pretty easy, gives a value of [tex]2.04*10^9Nm^-^2[/tex], but i don't really know how to relate this to a change in the denisty over a given depth... seems like an integration over a rate of change with density, but the question can't involve doing that. confused.. :\ help appreciated.

Why can't the question involve an integration? The density is a function of the pressure. The pressure is a function of the weight of water above the depth, which involves an integral over depth of the density.

Construct a little cylinder of height dh and area A with volume Adh containing a weight of water = g*density*volume. What is the pressure change between the surfaces of the cylinder?
 
there's no way of finding an area...? besides, this class hasn't involved, or even been taught integration so i don't figure it would make sense to stick an integral into the class questions. :rolleyes:
 
fasterthanjoao said:
there's no way of finding an area...? besides, this class hasn't involved, or even been taught integration so i don't figure it would make sense to stick an integral into the class questions. :rolleyes:

The area is arbitrary. You could make it anything you want. It divides out of the calculation. If integration is out of the question, you can still do an approximate calculation. Assume the density is constant, and calculate the pressure at a depth of 200 meters. That can be done without integration. Then calculate the density of water at that depth. If you want to refine the approximation, you could use that result to find an average density between the surface and a depth of 200 meters to recalculate the pressure at 200 meters depth, then recalculate the density. I think you will find that the second step does not make very much difference, so the first level of approximation is close enough.

To find the pressure at 200m, pick any area you want to use (e.g., 1 m^2) and calculate the weight of water in a cylinder (or rectangular prism, or prism with any shape cross section- the shape does not matter) with that area and 200m height. Then divide by the area to find the pressure.
 
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