Solving the Highest Level Scientific Problems: Research Hours Needed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the amount of research hours a scientist needs to dedicate to solve high-level scientific problems. It explores the subjective nature of what constitutes a "highest level" problem and the effort required in various fields, particularly mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of "highest level" problems and suggests that the required research hours depend on the specific field of study.
  • Another participant shares personal experiences in mathematics, emphasizing the extreme dedication and long hours required to engage in viable research, often sacrificing sleep.
  • This participant draws parallels between the dedication required in science and other fields, such as athletics, writing, and business, suggesting that hard work is essential for achieving worthwhile outcomes.
  • Further, they express a philosophical view that even with maximum effort, the attainment of first-rate achievements may not be guaranteed, highlighting the intrinsic value of hard work itself.
  • A reference to G. H. Hardy's perspective is made, noting that true talent is rare and that significant sacrifices are often necessary to cultivate it fully.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of effort and achievement in scientific research, with no consensus on the specific hours needed or the definition of "highest level" problems.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks clear definitions of what constitutes "highest level" problems and does not resolve the varying perspectives on the relationship between effort and achievement.

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How many hours does a scientist have to use as research hours in order to solve the highest level of scientific problem?
 
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That's a broad question. The "highest level" of a problem is a relevant term and surely the amount of research depends on what they're researching!

Please specify a little more.
 
even to do any viable research at all in mathematics, i had to use all the available hours i could squeeze out of the day and the night, often going without sleep.

It should be obvious that a field in which people like Gauss, Riemann, Fermat, Wiles, etc participate, an ordinary human has to give all he has got to do anything worthwhile at all.

how hard does an athlete have to train to win even one meet? how hard does a writer have to work even to publish one book? or a small businessman to avoid going broke? we all have to work as hard as we possibly can to do anything worthwhile at all.

it is not a question of, "how hard do you have to work to do something first rate?". it is more like even if you work as hard as you can your whole life, will you ever do anything really first rate?

the joy is in the journey, not the destination. hard work itself is rewarding, knowing you did your best. certainly less than your best will not avail much.
 
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mathwonk said:
we all have to work as hard as we possibly can to do anything worthwhile at all.

it is not a question of, "how hard do you have to work to do something first rate?". it is more like even if you work as hard as you can your whole life, will you ever do anything really first rate?
That reminds me of something G. H. Hardy wrote in _A Mathematician's Apology_:

"Most people can do nothing at all well ... It is a tiny minority who can do anything really well, and the number of men who can do two things really well is negligible. If a man has any genuine talent, he should be ready to make almost any sacrifice in order to cultivate it to the full."
 

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