How do I handle square roots in partial derivatives?

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The discussion revolves around handling square roots in the context of partial derivatives, specifically focusing on the function f(x,y) = sqrt(20 - x^2 - 7y^2). Participants explore different methods for calculating partial derivatives when square roots are involved, including implicit differentiation and the chain rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with taking partial derivatives involving square roots and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests using implicit differentiation as an alternative method, providing a formula and calculation for the partial derivative of f with respect to x.
  • A different approach is introduced using the chain rule and power rule, indicating that square roots can be expressed as a power of one-half.
  • A participant confirms the application of the chain rule and provides the resulting expressions for the partial derivatives with respect to x and y.
  • One participant acknowledges their oversight in not considering the power representation of square roots, indicating a realization of a simpler method to approach the problem.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method but present multiple approaches to handling square roots in partial derivatives. The discussion remains open with various techniques being proposed.

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Some participants rely on specific mathematical properties and rules, such as the chain rule and implicit differentiation, without fully resolving the nuances of each method's applicability in different contexts.

Arden1528
All right, I know that partial derv. are not all that hard. All you do in let's say f(x)= x^2+2yx+3y is find the dervitives of x while you treat y as a constent, and vice versa. But I keep running into problems having square roots. I hat these things.
One example could be f(x)= sqr(20-x^2-7y^2). I know yo treat the y as a constent, but I am horrible with my derv. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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If you hate square roots so much, would you be more comfortable with implicit differentiation? Can you easily take the deriviatve of g(x)=20-x2-7y2? Sure you can. Now, g(x)=[f(x)]2 and 2ff'=g' so f'=g'/(2f) which agrees with what you know about square roots. You know f, so all you need is g', which is easy to find.
g'=-2x
So the partial derivative of f wrt x is,
f'=(-2x)/(2f(x))=-x/f(x)

Please forgive the sloppy notation.
 
The other way is to apply the chain rule to the power rule:

(d/dx) (u^n) = n u^(n-1) (du/dx)

then just plug in the right things for u and n and finish the rest of the work
 
Hello, Arden1528!

You said, "I keep running into problems having square roots.
One example could be f(x,y)= sqr(20 - x^2 - 7y^2)"

Just where is your difficulty?
You know how to take partial derivatives.
You know that a square root is a one-half power.
And you know the Chain Rule.

f(x,y) = (20 - x2 - 7y2)1/2

Hence, fx = (1/2)(20 - x2 - 7y2)-1/2(-2x) = -x/(20 - x2 - 7y2)1/2

And, fy = {1/2)(20 - x2 - 7y2)-1/2(-14y) = -7y/(20 - x2 - 7y2)1/2
 
I did not even think about just putting the problems to the (1/2) power. I seem to forget the things that would make these problems easier. But thanks for all the help. I feel like I just forgot a really elementry operation...thanks
 

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