Why is English the Dominant Subject in US Schools?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived dominance of English in the US school curriculum compared to other subjects such as math and science. Participants express confusion and concern about the emphasis placed on English, questioning its implications for students' overall education and skills in other areas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the requirement of four years of English compared to fewer years of math and science, suggesting a potential imbalance in educational focus.
  • Another participant comments on the lack of emphasis on grammar in English classes, proposing that grammatical competence levels off after a certain point in high school.
  • A participant highlights issues with common language misuse and mispronunciation, arguing for greater emphasis on language skills in education.
  • Some participants express frustration with the perceived inadequacy of math education, suggesting that students are not pushed to advance beyond basic concepts.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliance on calculators among students, indicating a lack of fundamental arithmetic skills even among those studying math and physics.
  • One participant reflects on their own experience with English classes, feeling that there was insufficient focus on writing skills compared to reading.
  • A participant from the UK shares their observations about math education, noting that students excel in exams but struggle with practical applications of math concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the balance of subjects in education, with some agreeing on the need for more focus on grammar and math skills, while others highlight differing experiences and educational standards. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the effectiveness of the current curriculum.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying experiences across different schools and countries, indicating that educational standards and requirements may differ significantly. There is also a recognition of the limitations in students' understanding of mathematical concepts and language skills.

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One thing that really confuses me about the US school system (or at least i suspect this is how it is elsewhere) is how English has such a dominance in our curriculum. At my high school, we had to take 4 years of english. We only had to take 2 (and sometimes, 1) years of math though. We had 3 years of science though. We also only had 2 years of history/government/econ type classes required. It seems like we have people graduating that could write essays up the wall yet have no clue what a coordinate system is or know anything beyond figuring out what x^2 + 2x + 1 = 0 is. Is it just me or do you also notice this and wonder why this is?
 
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We talk more than we calculate perhaps?
 
Yah but the last 2 years of english for me had maybe... 1 or 2 months of actual grammar... rest was reading. I'd bet if you could somehow plot grammatical competance vs. years of english, you'd almost see a complete leveling off at the end of 10th grade or so.
 
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In light of the frequency of misuse of the first person reflexive in spoken and written communications, mispronunciation of "cache" as kash-shay (people been hanging around too many wine and cheese parties: "the brie had the exquisite texture and flavor of drywall with a 'cachet' of old sweatsocks"), confusion of they're, their, there or it's and its --- there ain't near enough emphasis on language skills.
 
Well how do you remember your english classes being in high school? I could have sworn we learned next to nothing about grammar and writting skills compared to how much we read in my high school classes.
 
In our schools there is just as much English as there is in most other countries of their language. However we stop short in math because we feel that students are too stupid to go past some things. Plus, physics is never required in school, ever.
 
It was required at my school, first year. Its kinda sad though, if you ever want to get beyond year 1 of absolutely any subject except english and math... you better hope the school has the appropriate AP class...
 
Despite my tonque-in-cheek comment above Pengwuino, I totally agree that it sucks, but Maths up to 16 year old level in the UK is a waste of space if you want to use maths for Science.
Pupils that I teach (In a fee paying top school) all seem to get great maths exam grades, yet most have little feel for numbers. Algebra skills are non existent - this is only a small part of the maths syllabus - so most 14 year olds have no idea how to re-arrange say V=IR for example. At 16, maybe 40% have grasped how to do this.

Maths in English schools seems to be all about Geometry - rotating triangles and the like through angles of symmetry.

I have tried banning calculators from lessons and that causes uproar. Most of the pupils use them to ADD UP numbers like 17 + 8! I really wish that I was joking here.
This includes my 17 and 18 year olds who have chosen to study Maths and Physics!

At times I feel like giving up...
 
Oh god yah, calculators are just... woo, can't even describe it. I mus tadmit that I've used one to do addition before lol, but that's because i was just rushing through and i was in a class where you just lived and died by your calculator because of hte amounts of homework that were given.
 
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grammAr...
 
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See, and i would have made that mistake in 10th grade too!
 
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You people are depressing :frown:
 
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Funny that this should come up, I am writing what I hope to be that last English paper I ever have to write. I better get back to it, time is running out.
 

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