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| May27-05, 06:29 PM | #1 |
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Quasar Absorption Lines
Nereid brought up the subject of quasar absorption lines in the "Dark Matter" post. I worked on the subject as an undergrad, so I would be happy to answer any questions you have about it. Some examples of things it tells us are
1) The power spectrum of matter in the universe (small scales). 2) The metallicity and abundances of intergalactic gas. 3) The conditions around galaxies. 4) Deuterium abundance for nucleosynthesis measurements. 5) Kinematics of gas, such as starburst outflows. Any discussion of a non-cosmological interpretation of redshift is unwelcome in this thread, as it has been thoroughly refuted in the scientific literature. Please take such things elsewhere. |
| May27-05, 08:30 PM | #2 |
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Thanks very much Space Tiger!
If I may go first ... 1) For how many quasars is there an apparently strong relationship between (at least one) absorption system and a 'line-of-sight' cluster which is resolvable (at least the giant ellipticals), and has a spectroscopically (not photometrically) determined redshift (and that redshift matches the QSO system)? 2) How many of the lensed quasars have absorption systems which 'match' the lensing object? What sort of 'match'? 3) What do systems at different redshifts tell us about how the metallicity of the absorbing gas has changed over time? At any given redshift, what is the observed range of metallicity in the systems? |
| May27-05, 10:33 PM | #3 |
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Lensed quasars are, however, extremely useful for measuring the geometry of absorbers. Normally, absorption lines only probe the gas distribution along the line of sight and tell you nothing about the shape or clumpiness of the structure. Having two identical quasars very near each other allows you to see how the absorption changes transverse to the line of sight. |
| May28-05, 02:54 AM | #4 |
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Quasar Absorption Lines
Why are the absorption lines so wide? I have a peripheral issue with that. Furthermore, Nereid knows way too much about this stuff to be a casual observer. I have read just enough papers to suspect she is holding out on us...
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| May28-05, 03:05 AM | #5 |
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http://www.physicsforums.com/showpos...46&postcount=9 In quasar absorption lines, it's usually a mix of thermal broadening and turbulent broadening. Natural broadening does show up, but mostly in the strongest lines of hydrogen (damped lyman alpha systems). |
| May28-05, 04:26 AM | #6 |
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Space Tiger.
Would it be correct to say, high metallicy, is a signature of high activity, rather than, its a signature of age? |
| May28-05, 04:55 AM | #7 |
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| May28-05, 06:42 AM | #8 |
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What are 'damped lyman alpha systems'?
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| May28-05, 08:55 AM | #9 |
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| May28-05, 12:02 PM | #10 |
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Garth |
| May28-05, 01:30 PM | #11 |
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The short answer: The universe reionized at a very early age. I like gamma bursters as an option. Huge, metal free, Pop III stars blasting away only millions of years after recombination. Something I wonder, if the IGM was sufficiently dense in the neighborhood, could the shock wave of an early SM briefly ignite the cloud?
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| May28-05, 08:35 PM | #12 |
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Problem is that, at some point, you'll run out of light. That is, once you've passed through enough material, you'll have absorbed all the light from your beam at frequencies within the width of your line (as determined by thermal motion). The line is then said to be saturated and its strength is no longer proportional to the amount of material in the cloud. In fact, adding more cloud has virtually no effect, so the line strength stays approximately flat. I mentioned before, however, that there were two mechanisms broadening the line, one thermal and one quantum mechanical. Generally, the quantum mechanical effects are negligible because the thermal width is much larger. The two effects have different broadening profiles, however, the natural broadening not falling off quite as rapidly as you move away from the center of the line. This means that, once you have enough material in your line of sight, the absorption line will develop "wings" arising from the natural broadening mechanism. At this point, the line is called damped. Seldom is there enough material in the ISM to produce a line this strong, but when it does happen, it tends to happen in the strongest absorption line of the most prevalent atom in the universe; that is, the Lyman Alpha transition of hydrogen. Thus damped lyman alpha absorbers. |
| May29-05, 01:22 AM | #13 |
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Is the dampening over a broad range of frequencies, i.e. not just on the absorption lines?
Garth |
| May29-05, 01:42 AM | #14 |
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| May29-05, 07:28 AM | #15 |
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Thank you ST, I was just trying to clarify what turbo-1 said, "The existence of damped lyman alpha systems is inferred from the spectra of some quasars, which exhibit a dip in luminosity over a broad range of frequencies." And whether you agreed with his definition of a damped system.
Garth |
| May29-05, 12:08 PM | #16 |
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| May29-05, 04:26 PM | #17 |
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I have also some questions...
1) Is the Gunn-Peterson effect a part of the Lyman-alpha forest and how are these absorption lines recognized? 2) Lyman-alpha clouds are assumed to be shock heated in the present universe (z < 2) forming the unbound WHIM phase of the intergalactic medium. Can this be detected as a part of the Lyman-alpha forest? 3) (related question) Why did a part of the baryons collapse in form of bounded intracluster gas in the present universe? |
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