Problem with a gaussian integral.

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of Gaussian integrals, specifically the integral of the form \(\int x^n e^{-\alpha x^2} dx\) for even values of \(n\). Participants explore the derivation of a general formula and clarify the process of squaring the integral \(\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx\) and its implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help in deriving a general formula for Gaussian integrals, specifically for the case where \(n\) is even and mentions the integral \(\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx\).
  • Another participant suggests using the gamma function, noting its properties may be useful in this context.
  • A different participant explains that using different variables in the squared integral allows for conversion to cylindrical coordinates and is part of proving the value of the Gaussian integral.
  • One participant challenges the interpretation of the squaring of the integral, clarifying that the original statement did not imply squaring but rather a change in the dummy variable, leading to the same integral expression.
  • It is noted that the product of the integrals can be expressed as a double integral, which is a key aspect of the discussion.
  • A participant expresses realization about the double integral concept and acknowledges a possible misinterpretation of the earlier statements regarding dummy variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the mathematical principles involved, particularly regarding the use of dummy variables and the concept of double integrals. However, there is disagreement on the interpretation of the initial statements about squaring the integral, leading to some confusion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the implications of changing dummy variables and the transition to double integrals, which may depend on participants' varying levels of calculus background.

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Hey, I've been learning about gaussian integrals lately. And I'm now stuck in one part. I am now trying to derive some kind of general formula for gaussian integrals

[tex]\int x^n e^{-\alpha x^2}[/tex]

for the case where n is even. So they ask me to evaluate the special case n=0 and alpha=1. So its [tex]I= \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx[/tex]. When i square this integral, they said that its [tex]I^2= ({\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx})({\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-y^2} dy})[/tex] with both x and y as according to them, i have to use a different variable for the first and second integral factors.

Why is this so? I have limited calc background. So i was wondering you guys could help me out. Thanks a lot...
 
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I think they're trying to get you to use the gamma function.

[tex]\Gamma(z)=2{\int^{\infty}_{0}dte^{-t^2}t^{z-1}[/tex]

Those two integrands you have are even and the gamma func has useful properities for situations like this.
 
By using different variables for the squared version, you can convert to different coordinate systems, i.e. to cylindrical coordinates. What you typed above is the way you prove that [tex]\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx = \sqrt{\pi}[/tex]
 
"When i square this integral, they said that its [tex]I^2= ({\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx})({\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-y^2} dy})[/tex]"

No, they didn't say that! You put in the "when I square this integral" yourself- they didn't square the integral.

What they did say was: If [tex]I= \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx[/tex], then it is also true that [tex]I= \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-y^2} dy[/tex] because that is just a change in the dummy variable.

It is then true that [tex]I^2= I*I= \(\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx\)\(\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-y^2} dy\)[/tex]- just multiplying two different ways of writing the same thing.

Of course, the really important thing is that fact that that product of integrals can be written as a double integral:
[tex](\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-x^2} dx)(\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} e^{-y^2} dy= \int_{y= -\infty}^{\infty}\int_{x=-\infty}^{\infnty}e^{-(x^2+ y^2)}dxdy[/tex].
 
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ahhhh so i see, a double integral. Thanks a lot. Maybe i misinterpreted what they said, cos' they made it sound that changing the dummy variable was a must.
 

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