How to write matrices as tensors

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The discussion revolves around the representation of matrices as tensors, specifically focusing on the equivalence of certain expressions involving vectors and tensors. Participants explore the relationships between matrix notation and tensor notation, particularly in the context of contravariant and covariant indices.

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  • Participants discuss the equivalence of vector and tensor expressions, questioning the correctness of their formulations. There is an exploration of the roles of contravariant and covariant indices in tensor notation.

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Some participants have provided confirmations and clarifications regarding the first question, while others express uncertainty about the second question, particularly concerning the treatment of indices. The conversation reflects a mix of agreement and differing interpretations, with ongoing questions about the correct representation of tensors.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and properties of contravariant and covariant vectors, as well as the implications of expressing tensors in matrix form. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in notation and understanding the dimensionality of the tensors involved.

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I have some simple questions on how to write matrices as tensors.

1.
[tex] \left(\begin{array}{cc}a_1\\a_2\end{array}\right)+<br /> \left(\begin{array}{cc}b_1\\b_2\end{array}\right)=<br /> \left(\begin{array}{cc}c_1\\c_2\end{array}\right)[/tex]

is this equivalent to

[tex]A^j + B^j = C^j[/tex]

with j = 1,2.

2.

[tex] 1/2\left(\begin{array}{cc}\dot{x}_1 & \dot{x}_2\end{array}\right)<br /> \left(\begin{array}{cc}3m & m\\-m & 3m\end{array}\right)<br /> \left(\begin{array}{cc}\dot{x}_1 \\\dot{x}_2\end{array}\right)[/tex]

is this equivalent to

[tex] 1/2\dot{x}^{\mu}M_{\mu\nu}\dot{x}^{\nu}[/tex]

[tex] \mu,\nu=1,2[/tex]

and

[tex] M_{11}=3m,...,M_{22}=3m[/tex]
 
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Yes,it's correct in the first case.In the second,u may put it

[tex]\frac{1}{2}\dot{x}_{\mu}M^{\mu}{}_{\nu} \dot{x}^{\nu}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
thanks.

Is my 2 wrong?
Im struggling with the contravariant and covariant indicies.
is it because a row vector is a covariant vector and the column vector is a contravariant vector you write it like that...but that can't be right.


another question:
If you have an expression like

[tex] A^{ijk}B_k[/tex]

i,j,k = 1,2

this is equivalent to 4 expressions

[tex] A^{111}B_1 + A^{112}B_2[/tex]

[tex] A^{121}B_1 + A^{122}B_2[/tex]

[tex] A^{211}B_1 + A^{212}B_2[/tex]

[tex] A^{221}B_1 + A^{222}B_2[/tex]
 
Nope,it's just

[tex]A^{ij1}B_{1}+A^{ij2}B_{2}[/tex]

,that is a second rank double contravariant tensor with 4 components,the ones you have written.

Daniel.
 
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ok...ty.

2 again.

if you have a tensor

[tex]1/2\dot{x}^{\mu}M_{\mu\nu}\dot{x}^{\nu}[/tex]

[tex]\mu,\nu=1,2[/tex]

[tex]M_{11}=3m,...,M_{22}=3m[/tex]

and write it as a matrix you _dont_ get

[tex]1/2\left(\begin{array}{cc}\dot{x}_1 & \dot{x}_2\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{cc}3m & m\\-m & 3m\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{cc}\dot{x}_1 \\\dot{x}_2\end{array}\right)[/tex]

?
 
Nope.You can't put that expression in matrix form.

Daniel.
 

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