How Does the Divergence of Magnetic Field Relate to Magnetizing Fields?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the relationship between magnetic field strength in materials and the magnetizing field, specifically focusing on the expression $\nabla \cdot \mathbf H = - \nabla \cdot \mathbf M$. Participants explore how this expression relates to the divergence of the magnetic field $\nabla \cdot \mathbf B = 0$ and the equation $\mathbf B = \mu_0(\mathbf H + \mathbf M)$.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on deriving the expression $\nabla \cdot \mathbf H = - \nabla \cdot \mathbf M$ from the given equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the divergence of $\mathbf B$ leads to the conclusion that $\nabla \cdot H + \nabla \cdot M = 0$ after dividing by the constant $\mu_0$.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about the steps taken to arrive at the desired expression, questioning whether the approach involves assuming a small volume of material.
  • There is a clarification that replacing $\mathbf B$ with its equivalent expression leads to the desired relationship, but the reasoning remains under discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation process, with some expressing uncertainty and others providing different interpretations of the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the constancy of $\mu_0$ and the conditions under which the divergence equations apply, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi
I am trying to derive the relation between magnetic field strength in materials and magnetizing field from the [tex]$\mathbf B$[/tex] field. More exactly, my question is:

how do we get this expression

[tex] $\nabla \centerdot \mathbf H = - \nabla \centerdot \mathbf M$ \\ [/tex]

knowing

[tex] $\nabla \centerdot \mathbf B = 0$ \\ [/tex]

and

[tex] $\mathbf B=\mu_0(\mathbf H + \mathbf M )$ [/tex]
?

Anyone can guid me how the first equation is related to the 2nd and 3rd equations?

thanku
 
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[tex]\nabla \cdot B=\nabla \cdot {\mu}_0(H+M)=0[/tex]

Do you get the idea now?
 
I 'm not sure !?

but how do we get from this:
inha said:
[tex]\nabla \cdot B=\nabla \cdot {\mu}_0(H+M)=0[/tex]

to this:

[tex]\nabla \cdot H= -\nabla \cdot M[/tex]

I can only see you have replaced B !

Or maybe you want me to think like this :
[tex]\nabla \cdot H=\nabla \cdot {\mu}_0H+{\mu}_0M[/tex]
[tex]\nabla \cdot H=\nabla \cdot {\mu}_0M[/tex]
assuming for a very small volume of material ?

or am I totally misunderstanding !?
 
[tex]\nabla \cdot {\mu}_0(H+M)=0[/tex]

divide [tex]\mu_o[/tex] out. you can do that since it's just a constant. then you have

[tex]\nabla \cdot H + \nabla \cdot M=0[/tex]

which is what you're looking for once you move the M-term to the other side of the eq.
 

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