What are the conjectures about the order of an integer modulo prime numbers?

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The discussion revolves around conjectures regarding the order of an integer modulo prime numbers, specifically focusing on two conjectures related to the order of integers modulo powers of primes and products of coprime integers. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of number theory concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two conjectures about the order of an integer 'a' modulo prime powers and products of coprime integers, questioning their validity and seeking proof or disproof.
  • Another participant clarifies that the quantity QR/(Q,R) in the second conjecture is commonly referred to as the least common multiple of Q and R, and provides a proof for the first conjecture under certain conditions.
  • A later reply emphasizes the necessity of the assumption that m and n are coprime for the second conjecture to hold, noting that this assumption was not explicitly stated in the initial post.
  • One participant expresses that they are not personally invested in the problem but appreciate the contributions of others in discussing it.
  • Another participant reflects on their initial assumptions regarding the coprimality of m and n, suggesting that without this condition, the conjecture may not hold true.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the validity of the conjectures. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the assumptions needed for the conjectures to hold, particularly concerning the coprimality of integers involved.

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The discussion highlights the importance of assumptions in mathematical conjectures, particularly the coprimality condition, which remains unresolved in terms of its impact on the conjectures' validity.

BenGoodchild
Two conjectures (or are they?):

1. The order of an integer 'a' modulo P^m = P^(m-1)*(Order of a mod P); where P
is an odd prime .

2. If a, m, and n are elements of Z and (a,mn) = 1, then Order of a mod mn =
QR/(Q,R); where Q = Order of a mod m and R = Order of a mod n and (Q,R) is the
greatest common divisor function.

For example:

Example 1:Let a =2 and P=7. Then the order of 2 mod 7 = 3 and the order of 2
mod 7^3 = 7^2(3)= 147.

Example 2: The Order of 2 mod 11^2 = 11*(Order of 2 mod 11) = 110

Example 3: The Order of 2 mod (3*7) = (Order of 2 mod 3)*(Order of 2 mod
7)/(U,V) = 2*3/1 = 6; where U = Order of 2 mod 3 and V = Order of 2 mod 7.

Are any of these two statements known? If so, could one point me in the
direction? If not can anyone prove or disprove?
 
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Firstly,in 2. the quantity QR/(Q,R) is commonly called the least common multiple of Q and R.

In any case the proof of (the correct version of) statement 1 appears in LeVeque fundmentals of number theory 4.4

Let p be an odd prime, and suppose p does not divide a. Futher suppose that the order of a module p is t, and let s be the largest powe of p dividing a^t-1.

If s=p then the order of a modulo p^n is still t, otherwise it is tp^n/s

The second one is, I think, obvious, isn't it?

If a^t is 1 modulo mn it is 1 modulo m and n thus Q divides t as does R, hence their least common multiple, call that L, divides t. Conversely it suffices to show that a^L=1 modulo mn, but we know a^L=km+1 and jn+1 for some integers k and j, that is km=jn for some choice of integers j and k, hence m divides j and n divides k as n and m are coprime, ie km=nmk' for some integer k' and thus a^L=nmk'+1=1 mod(mn).

Thus the order is divisible by L and divides L, so they must be equal.
 
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matt grime said:
...as n and m are coprime...

I just wanted to point out that this assumption wasn't included in Ben's post, but it is needed.
 
I would just like to clarify this is not for me! And I hadn't really looked at the problem, just somebody on another forum pm'd me with it nad at the time I had no time to spare.

so, anyway thank you a lot guys for doing it for me, and Matt I have LeVeques book - in all its purple and red glory!

-Ben
 
I just blindly assumed I'd read m and n were coprime otherwise the conjecture would have to be false. Or rather it would be unlikely to be true and I'd instantly start to look for a counter example and find one very quickly I imagine eg a=3, m=n=2.

Sometimes your mind just fills in the blanks.
 

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