Relativistic Energy: Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of relativistic energy, exploring its definition, components, and implications in different inertial frames. Participants seek clarification on what constitutes relativistic energy and how it relates to other forms of energy.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that relativistic energy refers to the sum of kinetic energy and rest mass energy.
  • Others argue that energy is an undefined quantity associated with a system, consisting of various forms such as kinetic, mass-energy, and potential energy.
  • A participant mentions the equation E = K + E0 as a possible interpretation of "relativistic energy," while expressing uncertainty about the term's usage.
  • Another viewpoint presents the total energy of an object as dependent on momentum and mass, expressed by the equation √((pc)² + (mc)²), indicating that relativistic energy varies with reference frames.
  • A later reply questions the assumption that relativistic energy is applicable only when the body is not under stress and has zero potential energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition and implications of relativistic energy, with multiple competing views and interpretations remaining in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of energy and the context in which terms like "relativistic energy" are used, as different authors may have varying interpretations.

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can anyone explain to me wha relativistic is?
 
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Honorable_Death said:
can anyone explain to me wha relativistic is?

It means "obeying the Lorentz transformation" which is necessary if your physics covers different inertial frames (as for example, a fast moving subatomic particle and a lab apparatus assumed at rest). This means that energy depends on relative speed.
 
wow sorry i don't no what was wit me when i wrote that forum, but what i ment to ask was can anyone explain to me what relativistic energy is?
 
Honorable_Death said:
wow sorry i don't no what was wit me when i wrote that forum, but what i ment to ask was can anyone explain to me what relativistic energy is?
Seems to me that when someone is using that term they are referring to the sum of kinetic energy + rest mass energy.

Pete
 
That's just energy isn't it?
 
El Hombre Invisible said:
That's just energy isn't it?
Energy (sometimes referred to as "total energy") is an undefined quantity. Its a number associated with a system and this number is a constant. Energy is made up of various forms of energy each of which are well defined. One form is kinetic energy, one is mass-energy, one is potential energy etc. The quantity

E = K + E0

may be what you're thinking of as "relativistic energy." I can't say for sure because I don't know where you got this term. These terms can have different meanings between different authors. I refer to E as "inertial energy." The quantity W defined as

W = E + U

where U is a function of the position of the particle. W is referred to as the total energy of the particle in, say, and electric field. I don't recall ever seening the term "relativistic energy" anywhere. However I've read so much I may have forgotten I've seen it.

Pete
 
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Relativistic energy due to observable differences in total energy due to differing reference frames. The total energy of an object is given by the root of (pc)^2 + (mc)^2, so relativistic energy is dependent on momentum, which may change frame to frame.
 
El Hombre Invisible said:
Relativistic energy due to observable differences in total energy due to differing reference frames. The total energy of an object is given by the root of (pc)^2 + (mc)^2, so relativistic energy is dependent on momentum, which may change frame to frame.
That's true so long as the body is not under stress and has zero potential of position.

Pete
 

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