Can We Predict the Evolution of Future Humans?

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The discussion revolves around the potential future evolution of humanity and the concept of machines as a successor to biological life. Participants explore the implications of evolutionary theory in relation to artificial intelligence and the possibility of machines surpassing humans in evolutionary terms. The conversation touches on historical perspectives and speculative ideas regarding the trajectory of human development.

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  • One participant suggests that humanity may be a biological predecessor to machines, proposing that machines could achieve superiority through survival and reproduction, similar to biological evolution.
  • Another participant questions the notion of evolution having an end-goal, arguing that this contradicts established evolutionary theory.
  • A later reply references Arthur C. Clarke's works, claiming that the idea of machines as a stage in evolution has been previously explored, suggesting that the ultimate evolution may not be mechanical but rather immaterial.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of evolution and the relationship between humanity and machines. There is no consensus on whether humanity has an end-goal in evolution or if machines represent a legitimate evolutionary successor.

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Some assumptions regarding the drivers of evolution and the nature of consciousness transfer in machines remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the dependence on speculative ideas and interpretations of historical works.

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From http://www.whatwemaybe.org/

John Glad is a retired professor of Russian studies, having taught at Rutgers University, the University of Chicago, the University of Iowa, and the University of Maryland. He is also the former Director of the Kennan Institute for Advanced Russian Studies in the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, in Washington, D.C. A Guggenheim grant recipient, he is the author, editor, or translator of twenty books, some of which have been honored in the American Book Awards. Future Human Evolution is part of his long-standing work on behalf of human rights, in this case of future generations.
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Hi Lamb,
Back in '75 I was taking a Theory of History class and the premise forced me to not only take all history into account, but to postulate what all that was proceeding to. And I came up with the most astounding idea I've ever encountered. Try this on for size: Humanity is the biological predecessor for inorganic "life" - machines. Realize this was years before the PC phenomenon.
Just take a few postulates into account and the idea doesn't seem as far-fetched as it sounds at first. If evolution's two drivers, survival and ability to reproduce are correct then can't machines achieve superiority in our environment, even greater than humans? If so, evolution sez they'll become dominant. Some of the developments along the way are 1) artificial intelligence, that is, the machines' ability to gather data independently and act upon it in there best interest; and 2) the ability to reproduce - machines makin' machines at will.
Now, that doesn't seem too unlikely now does it? If realized, the theory gives a little different relationship between you and the machine you're pumpin' now does it? Therefore humanity is just a middle-stage development of natural evolution. Just conjecture though. Whaddya think?

Peace and love,
NN
 
Dennis - Do you have a point or are you just advertising the book?
 
NEBRASKA NATURALIST said:
Therefore humanity is just a middle-stage development of natural evolution.

Are you suggesting that evolution has an end-goal? (that would be contrary to the theory of evolution)
 
NEBRASKA NATURALIST said:
Hi Lamb,
Back in '75 I was taking a Theory of History class and the premise forced me to not only take all history into account, but to postulate what all that was proceeding to. And I came up with the most astounding idea I've ever encountered. Try this on for size: Humanity is the biological predecessor for inorganic "life" - machines. Realize this was years before the PC phenomenon.
Just take a few postulates into account and the idea doesn't seem as far-fetched as it sounds at first. If evolution's two drivers, survival and ability to reproduce are correct then can't machines achieve superiority in our environment, even greater than humans? If so, evolution sez they'll become dominant. Some of the developments along the way are 1) artificial intelligence, that is, the machines' ability to gather data independently and act upon it in there best interest; and 2) the ability to reproduce - machines makin' machines at will.
Now, that doesn't seem too unlikely now does it? If realized, the theory gives a little different relationship between you and the machine you're pumpin' now does it? Therefore humanity is just a middle-stage development of natural evolution. Just conjecture though. Whaddya think?

Peace and love,
NN

You didn't develop that idea first. Arthur C. Clarke, in his Space Odyssey books, beat you to it. Someone may have even beaten him to it, but he certainly published this idea back in the 60's. The aliens that planted the monolith were said to have first developed the ability to transfer their consciousness into machines, and then into the energy lattice of space itself. Then end of evolution there was not mechanical form, but immaterial form. Mechanical form was the middle-stage. In fact, the whole process of placing the monolith first with the ape-men, then on the moon, and then turning Dave into the starchild, was designed to push human evolution in the same direction.
 

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