Finding Limits of Improper Integrals Using L'Hospital's Rule

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The discussion revolves around finding limits of improper integrals using L'Hospital's Rule, specifically focusing on the limit of an integral involving the function \(\frac{\pi \coth(\pi x)}{2} - \frac{1}{2x}\). Participants explore the steps involved in evaluating the limit and express confusion regarding certain transformations and results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in using LaTeX and mentions that their calculations suggest the limit does not exist, while Mathematica indicates otherwise.
  • Another participant provides a step-by-step evaluation of the integral, leading to a limit involving \(\log(\sinh(\pi))\) and \(\log(\pi)\).
  • There is a question about the validity of taking the limit inside the logarithm function, with a participant seeking clarification on a specific step that leads to \(\log(\pi)\).
  • A suggestion is made that the continuity of the logarithm allows for taking the limit inside the log function.
  • A participant attempts to apply L'Hospital's Rule to evaluate the limit but expresses uncertainty about their approach and where they might be going wrong.
  • Another participant suggests applying L'Hospital's Rule to the expression for \(\sinh(\pi x)\) to further evaluate the limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the evaluation of the limit, with some expressing confusion and others providing differing approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific steps to arrive at the limit.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions required for applying L'Hospital's Rule and the continuity of the logarithm function in this context. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the limit evaluation process.

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hello all

well this is the first time Iv used latex it really took me along time to write, is it suppose to take that long or is there a better way of doing it?

anyway this is a small part of a bigger problem everytime i tried i always show that the limite does not exist, but when i chuck it into mathematica the limite does exist, can anybody help, its really awkward check it out

thanxs


[tex]\int_0^1\frac{\Pi\coth\Pi\times\x}{2}-\frac{1}{2\times\x}dx[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} (\int_\epsilon^1\frac{\Pi\coth\Pi\times\x}{2}-\frac{1}{2\times\x}dx)[/tex]
then eventually i get this
[tex]\lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} (\frac{\log[\epsilon]}{2}+\frac{\log[\sinh\Pi]}{2}-\frac{\log[\sinh\Pi\epsilon]}{2})[/tex]
but no matter how much i tried i cannot get it to equal
[tex]\frac{\log[\frac{\sinh\Pi}{\Pi}]}{2}[/tex]
 
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[tex]\int_0^1\frac{\pi\coth\pi x}{2}-\frac{1}{2x}dx[/tex]
[tex]= [\frac{log(sinh\pi x)}{2} - \frac{log(x)}{2}]_0^1[/tex]
[tex]= [\frac{log(\frac{sinh\pi x}{x})}{2}]_0^1[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{log(sinh\pi)}{2} - \lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{log(\frac{sinh\pi x}{x})}{2}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{log(sinh\pi)}{2} - \frac{log(\pi)}{2}[/tex]

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Please use \pi with small p and use x instead of \times when referring to variable x. \PI and \times look absolutely awful in your given expression :smile:
 
hello there

thanxs for the advice about latex i sure hope i will improve in the near future
anyway i don't really understand how you did this step

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\log(\frac{sinh\pi x}{x})=log(\pi)[/tex]

thats exactly where I am getting concused am i missing something i am suppose to know?

thanxs
 
You can take lim inside log (since the log function is continuous)

-- AI
 
well this is what i have done so far but i don't see how that's going to get me to [tex]\pi[/tex], i tried plotting it on mathematica, it wouldn't plot

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\log(\frac{sinh\pi x}{x})[/tex]
[tex]=\log(\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{sinh\pi x}{x})[/tex]
[tex]=\log(\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{e^{\pi x}+e^{-\pi x}}{2x})[/tex]

where am i going wrong?
 
[tex]sinh\pi x = \frac{e^{\pi x}-e^{-\pi x}}{2}[/tex]
Apply L' Hospital.

-- AI
 
wow this L' Hospital stuff is great thanxs for the directions muchly appreciated

steven
 

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