Could Cosmic Background Radiation Hold Clues About the Big Bang?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR) and its implications for understanding the Big Bang. Participants explore the nature of the CMBR, its propagation, and the conditions of the early universe, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the CMBR, created during the Big Bang, could be "ahead" of us if it traveled at the speed of light, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of its propagation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the CMBR is not "ahead" but rather surrounds us isotropically, emphasizing that all points in space have expanded from the Big Bang equally.
  • A different viewpoint notes that the CMBR is not in thermal equilibrium like a gas, but is instead highly redshifted radiation emitted by matter approximately 300,000 years after the Big Bang.
  • Further explanation is provided regarding the nature of the Big Bang, stating it was not an explosion but the rapid expansion of space itself, with energy and matter already present throughout the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the CMBR's nature and its relationship to the Big Bang, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential misunderstanding of the CMBR's propagation and the nature of the Big Bang, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of terms like "ahead" and "isotropic."

BigMacnFries
Problaby a silly thought but if the cosmic microwave backgroud radiation got created in the big bang and traveled outwards at the speed of light, and so did everything else, but traveled at less than the speed of light, would'nt it be "ahead" of us. Or alternatively if the radiation is absorbed and reemitted a lot does it get affected by fluorescense, or absorption into kinetic energy.
 
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Welcome to these Forums BigMacnFries! (Actually I can't stand them myself!)
Where is the Big Bang? we might ask, and the answer is everywhere! All points in space have expanded from the Big Bang equally, they have all expanded from each other, there is no centre, it is space itself that has expanded. Now the CMB has filled all space and radiated throughout it. The radiation is not 'ahead of us' but surrounding us. The universe is filled with a warm (if you call 2.7oK 'warm') bath of radiation and it comes to us equally from every direction (isotropically) -well not quite isotropic but that is another story!

I hope this helps,

Garth
 
BigMacnFries said:
Problaby a silly thought but if the cosmic microwave backgroud radiation got created in the big bang and traveled outwards at the speed of light, and so did everything else, but traveled at less than the speed of light, would'nt it be "ahead" of us. Or alternatively if the radiation is absorbed and reemitted a lot does it get affected by fluorescense, or absorption into kinetic energy.
The CMBR is not like a gas in thermal equilibrium. Rather it is much like the light from a galaxy, or any other object. What we are seeing is highly redshifted radiation emitted by matter 300000 years after the big bang, just before this matter cooled enough to become transparent.

If you want to understand how the radiation can have taken so long to reach us then have a look at
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_02.htm#DH
and
http://www.chronon.org/Articles/milne_cosmology.html
 
Welcome to PF, BigMacnFries!
As noted above, the Big Bang was not an explosion of matter and energy into space. It was the rapid expansion of all-space. From the beginning, energy and the building blocks of matter were already everywhere throughout the universe. As space continued to expand, this 'plasma' cooled enough for the building blocks to form atoms (like hydrogen, helium). Then gravity pulled this matter together to form stars & galaxies...simultaneously throughout the universe. So, things were not shot out across the universe...rather, the state of the universe and the stuff in it changed over time.
 

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