Can a Flexible Air Bag Help Humans Breathe Like Fish Underwater?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and efficiency of a proposed flexible air bag technology that could potentially allow humans to breathe underwater like fish. Participants explore various aspects including energy consumption, battery requirements, and the practicality of the device in aquatic environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about the legitimacy and efficiency of the proposed technology.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the energy consumption of a one-kilogram lithium battery, with some suggesting it may be too heavy and expensive for practical use.
  • There is speculation about the recharging time of the battery and its impact on usability during dives.
  • Participants question the practicality of swimming with a centrifuge and suggest that advancements in MEMs technology could help reduce battery size requirements.
  • Questions are posed about the design of the air bag, particularly whether it is housed within a rigid casing to withstand water pressure.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the gas mixtures available at different depths and the implications for Navy divers who use specialized gas mixes to avoid decompression sickness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the practicality, efficiency, and design of the proposed air bag technology.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the assumptions about battery weight, cost, and recharging time, as well as the need for further clarification on gas mixtures at varying depths.

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Just curious to see what some of the people here think of this

http://www.isracast.com/tech_news/310505_tech.htm

Seems legitimate and fairly logical, just wondering if it would be efficienct.
 
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Calculations showed that a one kilo Lithium battery can provide a diver with about one hour of diving time.

I will be glad if someone opines about this energy consumption. I think one kilo of Lithium battery each hour of diving could be too much and very expensive.
 
A kilogram lithium battery? Probably cost a good $400...
 
Clausius2 said:
I will be glad if someone opines about this energy consumption. I think one kilo of Lithium battery each hour of diving could be too much and very expensive.

That was my first thought as well. The power load is too high.
 
If its rechargeable it might not be that bad. My first reaction though was that it would be difficult to swim with a centrifuge on your back.
 
russ_watters said:
If its rechargeable it might not be that bad. My first reaction though was that it would be difficult to swim with a centrifuge on your back.

I keep on thinking that battery would be:

i) too heavy
ii) too expensive
iii) it would spend a very large time for recharging.

1 Kilo of Litium! My cell phone has a battery (I think it is Ni), they are too expensive and it is very small!.
 
Clausius2 said:
I keep on thinking that battery would be:

i) too heavy
ii) too expensive
iii) it would spend a very large time for recharging.

1 Kilo of Litium! My cell phone has a battery (I think it is Ni), they are too expensive and it is very small!.
It says a 1 kilo battery, not 1 kilo of lithum (not sure how much lithium is in a 1 kilo battery). I have a battery for my camcorder that's bigger than that - it cost about $50 and will run my camcorder for like 10 hours.
 
I wonder what the water flow and power consumption rates are for something like that.
 
russ_watters said:
If its rechargeable it might not be that bad. My first reaction though was that it would be difficult to swim with a centrifuge on your back.

Perhaps they can build an efficient centrifuge using MEMs technology, that would cut down on the battery size requirement. :biggrin:
 
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I can't tell from the diagram -- is that flexible air bag housed within a rigid casing of some sort? Otherwise, won't the water pressure keep forcing all the air right back out of it?

I also don't know much about the ratio of gases dissolved in water at differing depths. Is it uniform throughout, or would a different gas mixture be extracted depending on depth? I'm also wondering why Navy divers would use this. Don't their divers use special mixes of gases to reduce the risk of decompression sickness and nitrogen narcossis in longer duration or deeper dives than recreational divers?
 

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