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Jul25-05, 03:59 AM   #171
 

telepathy and Sheldrake


Quote by Ivan Seeking
Okay, because Zooby said so.
Reminds me of fileen.
What are your qualifications Zooby? Should we assume that you are an expert in the functions of the brain, or are you self taught?
Eh? My qualifications were fine for you when you wanted to use something I asserted in your argument against SGT. I guess they only become suspect when you can't use them to your advantage.
I stated that this all appears to be true. I have run this by a number of qualified people who think it makes sense. Maybe I am wrong for some reason, but you need to get over your perpetual case of freshmanitis.
I don't know what "freshmanistis" is, but I think what it means is you don't really know how to counter my arguments against thought having mass, and are, therefore, diverting the issue to my attitude.

This "qualifications" thing is a new ploy you've come up with lately: if you don't like someone's facts and logic, you now declare them "unqualified".
 
Jul25-05, 02:09 PM   #172
 
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I wasn't being selective, my objection is that you make unqualified declarations that are way beyond your level of knowledge; that is unless you care to explain consciousness and refute the solution to Maxwell's paradox.
 
Jul25-05, 02:18 PM   #173
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I wasn't being selective, my objection is that you make unqualified declarations that are way beyond your level of knowledge; that is unless you care to explain consciousness and refute the solution to Maxwell's paradox.
What is in your opinion the solution to Maxwell's paradox?
 
Jul25-05, 02:23 PM   #174
 
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Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
Consciousness poses the most baffling problems in the science of the mind. There is nothing that we know more intimately than conscious experience, but there is nothing that is harder to explain. All sorts of mental phenomena have yielded to scientific investigation in recent years, but consciousness has stubbornly resisted. Many have tried to explain it, but the explanations always seem to fall short of the target. Some have been led to suppose that the problem is intractable, and that no good explanation can be given.

To make progress on the problem of consciousness, we have to confront it directly. In this paper, I first isolate the truly hard part of the problem, separating it from more tractable parts and giving an account of why it is so difficult to explain. [continued]
http://consc.net/papers/facing.html

Many suggest that consciousness lies in the Quantum realm. For example:
Spin-Mediated Consciousness Theory: Possible Roles of Oxygen Unpaired Electronic Spins and Neural Membrane Nuclear Spin Ensemble in Memory and Consciousness

A novel theory of consciousness is proposed in this paper. We postulate that consciousness is connected to quantum mechanical spin since said spin is embedded in the microscopic structure of spacetime and may be more fundamental than spacetime itself. Thus, we theorize that consciousness is connected with the fabric of spacetime through spin.[continued]
http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0208/0208068.pdf
 
Jul25-05, 02:27 PM   #175
 
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What is in your opinion the solution to Maxwell's paradox?
I already stated what I was taught in physics: Useful information contains energy. Again, this isn't my opinion, this is what I was taught. The observation and decision required for the demon to open or close the door accounts for the "missing" work.
 
Jul25-05, 02:34 PM   #176
 
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Specifically it was stated that userful information can do work. This means information contains energy.

It was something that seemed worth remembering so I chose to pay attention and increase my mass.
 
Jul25-05, 03:03 PM   #177
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I already stated what I was taught in physics: Useful information contains energy. Again, this isn't my opinion, this is what I was taught. The observation and decision required for the demon to open or close the door accounts for the "missing" work.
What is the meaning of useful information? Is there useless information wich does not contain energy? Who decides wich information is useful and wich is useless?
 
Jul25-05, 03:05 PM   #178
 
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"Useful" refers to the information being non-random. Random data cannot do work.

Edit: I don't remember how to determine the boundary conditions, but the main point was perfectly clear.
 
Jul25-05, 03:14 PM   #179
 
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I haven't read up on this lately, but I would assume that at the deepest level this all ties into Hawking's information paradox.
 
Jul26-05, 07:51 AM   #180
 
Quote by Ivan Seeking
I wasn't being selective, my objection is that you make unqualified declarations that are way beyond your level of knowledge...
No, nothing I say is "beyond" my level of knowledge. I am always speaking from the information I have at my disposal.

I think what you actually might be meaning to say is that I speak beyond my level of formal education. If so, that is true. I don't see what the hell difference that makes here in Skepticism & Debunking, if I got my facts from books or from a university course, as long as I have my facts straight. If you doubt any particular thing I say, you can point to it, and I'll do my best to find a respectable link.
that is unless you care to explain consciousness
Here you have shifted from the concept of a thought to the concept of consciousness. They aren't interchangable words.
and refute the solution to Maxwell's paradox.
This is a straw man. I never said there was anything wrong with that solution.
 
Jul26-05, 07:59 AM   #181
 
Quote by Ivan Seeking
Specifically it was stated that userful information can do work. This means information contains energy.
You must be able to find a link, no? IIRC the "paradox" wasn't Maxwell's doing, but the ruminations of someone who came after him, and the person who "solved" it was yet a third party.
 
Jul28-05, 01:03 AM   #182
 
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No, nothing I say is "beyond" my level of knowledge. I am always speaking from the information I have at my disposal.
You also interpret that information and state conclusions.

I think what you actually might be meaning to say is that I speak beyond my level of formal education. If so, that is true. I don't see what the hell difference that makes here in Skepticism & Debunking, if I got my facts from books or from a university course, as long as I have my facts straight. If you doubt any particular thing I say, you can point to it, and I'll do my best to find a respectable link.
You make balf face assertions that you don't know to be true.

Here you have shifted from the concept of a thought to the concept of consciousness. They aren't interchangable words.
They are intimately connected. I shouldn't beed to explain this either.


This is a straw man. I never said there was anything wrong with that solution.
You refuted my suggestion which is based on this solution. I shouldn't have to explain this either. Enough is enough.
 
Jul28-05, 01:04 AM   #183
 
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Finally, we calculate probability amplitudes from the wavefunction. You have no idea what you are saying.
 
Jul28-05, 01:51 AM   #184
 
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I didn't spot any free papers that discuss information and energy,but papers can be purchased. My information comes from lecture notes.

Balance of information in bipartite quantum-communication systems:Entanglement-energy analogy
Ryszard Horodecki1*, Michal Horodecki1§, and Pawel Horodecki2¶

1Institute of Theoretical Physics and Astrophysics, University of Gdansk, 80-952 Gdansk, Poland

2Faculty of Applied Physics and Mathematics, Technical University of Gdansk, 80-952 Gdansk, Poland

Received 16 February 2000; revised 19 June 2000; published 18 January 2001
We adopt the view that information is the primary physical entity possessing objective meaning. Based on two postulates stating that (i) entanglement is a form of quantum information corresponding to internal energy and (ii) sending qubits corresponds to work, we show that in the closed bipartite quantum-communication systems, the information is conserved. We also discuss the entanglement-energy analogy in the context of the Gibbs-Helmholtz-like equation connecting the entanglement, of formation, distillable entanglement, and bound entanglement. Then we show that in the deterministic protocols of distillation, the information is conserved. We also discuss the objectivity of quantum information in the context of information interpretation of quantum states and algorithmic complexity.
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v63/i2/e022310
 
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As for the wavefunction and QED, the answer seems to be pretty much what I suggested by referencing Carlip's last statement in the quote. As near as I can tell, the following explanation is probably as good as any.
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/2000-11/msg0029749.html
 
Aug2-05, 11:19 AM   #186
 
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Quote by Ivan Seeking
As for the wavefunction and QED, the answer seems to be pretty much what I suggested by referencing Carlip's last statement in the quote. As near as I can tell, the following explanation is probably as good as any.
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/2000-11/msg0029749.html
I don't see what you get from the linked discussion. One poster seems to be making heavy weather from the fact that in QFT you resolve waves into normal modes (Quantum Simple Harmonic Oscillators QSHOs) and so (he thinks) only those have wave functions. The other has no better reply than that it is a matter of definition. More heat than light.
 
Aug3-05, 12:26 AM   #187
 
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Sorry, I worked a 22.5 hour day yesterday. I promise to do better after some sleep.
 
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