Work Energy Theorem Question I cant do

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to the work-energy theorem, specifically focusing on an elevator cab scenario involving forces, energy conservation, and spring compression. Participants are seeking assistance with various parts of the problem, particularly parts b, c, and d, which involve calculations of speed, spring compression, and energy considerations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about parts b, c, and d of the problem, indicating a lack of understanding of how to approach them.
  • Another participant claims to have solved parts b and c but is struggling with part d, requesting additional hints or equations.
  • A participant encourages sharing of work to facilitate assistance, emphasizing the importance of writing down thoughts even if uncertain.
  • One participant presents their equations for part b, questioning the correctness of their approach and suggesting a possible need for adjustments in their calculations.
  • For part c, a participant shares their equation but expresses uncertainty about its accuracy, indicating a reliance on the result from part b.
  • A participant admits to having solved all parts except for part b, indicating a potential error in their previous calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the correctness of the equations presented for parts b and c, and the discussion regarding part d remains unresolved with multiple participants expressing confusion.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions and unresolved mathematical steps, particularly regarding the equations for parts b and c, which may affect the accuracy of the solutions being discussed.

Little Dump
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I have no clue how to do b, c and especially d.

Thanks

The cable of the 1,800 kg elevator cab in Fig. 8-51 snaps when the cab is at rest at the first floor, where the cab bottom is a distance d = 3.9 m above a cushioning spring whose spring constant is k = 0.14 MN/m. A safety device clamps the cab against guide rails so that a constant frictional force of 3.6 kN opposes the cab's motion. (a) Find the speed of the cab just before it hits the spring. (b) Find the maximum distance x that the spring is compressed (the frictional force still acts during this compression). (c) Find the distance (above the point of maximum compression) that the cab will bounce back up the shaft. (d) Using conservation of energy, find the approximate total distance that the cab will move before coming to rest. (Assume that the frictional force on the cab is negligible when the cab is stationary.)
 
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ok i got b and c

thanks

but I am still not getting d

any chance you can give me an equation or something?

more hints?

thanks a bunch
 
Post what you've got, LD!

Forum rules, and all...
 
for b i got the following


1800(9.81)(3.9) - 3600(3.9+x) = 1/2k(x)^2

im not quite sure if that is completely correct. I think their might need to be an x in the first term so its

1800(9.81)(3.9+x)

and for c

1/2k(x)^2 - 3600h = (1800)(9.81)h

not sure if that is right either but i think it is, just plug in x from b

and for d...

i still got nothing

someone help please!
 
Originally posted by Little Dump

and for d...

i still got nothing
You have to have something! Even if you don't have any clue where to go, you should just write things down, even random things, to get you started. Try to think of how you can you what you know to find what you want. Specifically, try to find a formula that contains your unknown. If you know how to find all the other variables, then you're done.
For example, I randomly wrote down Wnet-nonconserv=[del]Emechanical. Of course, the nonconservative work is the work done by _____. The mechanical energy is given by _____.
 
I got all of them except b now

is my formula for b right?

cuz i get the wrong answer
 

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