Is the Subset S Open, Closed, or Neither in Various Complex Spaces?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether specific subsets of various complex spaces are open, closed, or neither. The subsets are defined within different Hilbert spaces, including \(\mathbb{C}^k\), \(\mathbb{C}\), \(\mathbb{C}^2\), \(l^2\), and \(L^2([0,1])\).

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  • Participants explore the properties of the subsets, questioning their openness or closedness based on definitions and boundary considerations. Some participants provide intuitive reasoning while others express confusion over specific notations and interpretations.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the subsets, with some participants offering insights into the nature of the sets. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of open and closed sets, but no consensus has been reached regarding the classifications of all subsets.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding notation and definitions, particularly in relation to the topology of the subsets in question. There is also mention of limit points and boundary conditions that may affect the classification of the sets.

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Question 1

Let [itex]\mathcal{H} = \mathbb{C}^k[/itex], where [itex]\mathcal{H}[/itex] is a Hilbert space. Then let

[tex]S = \left\{x : \sum_{i=1}^{k} |x_i| \leq 1 \right\}[/tex]

be a subset of [itex]\mathcal{H}[/itex]. Is the subset [itex]S[/itex] open, closed or neither?



Question 2

Let [itex]\mathcal{H} = \mathbb{C}[/itex]. Then let

[tex]S = \left\{\frac{1}{n} : n\in \mathbb{N}\right\}[/tex]

be a subset of [itex]\mathcal{H}[/itex]. Is the subset [itex]S[/itex] open, closed or neither?



Question 3

Let [itex]\mathcal{H} = \mathbb{C}^2[/itex]. Then let

[tex]S = \left\{(z,0) : z\in \mathbb{C}\right\}[/tex]

be a subset of [itex]\mathcal{H}[/itex]. Is the subset [itex]S[/itex] open, closed or neither?



Question 4

Let [itex]\mathcal{H} = l^2[/itex]. Then let

[tex]S = \left\{x : \sum_{i=1}^{\infty} |x_i|^2 < 1\right\}[/tex]

be a subset of [itex]\mathcal{H}[/itex]. Is the subset [itex]S[/itex] open, closed or neither?



Question 5

Let [itex]\mathcal{H} = L^2([0,1])[/itex]. Then let

[tex]S = \left\{f : f(t) \neq 0 \, \forall \, t \in [0,1]\right\}[/tex]

be a subset of [itex]\mathcal{H}[/itex]. Is the subset [itex]S[/itex] open, closed or neither?
 
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Solution 1

Intuitively, this set is closed because it contains its own boundary.
 
Solution 2

We can write out the subset as

[tex]S=\{1, \frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{3}, \frac{1}{4}, \dots \}[/tex]

In set notation...

[tex]S = (0,1][/tex]

That is, S is neither open nor closed.
 
Solution 3

Since [itex](z,0) = 0 \, \forall \, z \in \mathbb{C}[/itex], then S is closed since the complement is open. ie since

[tex]\mathbb{C}^2 \backslash \left(S = \{0\}\right)[/tex] is open.
 
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Solution 2

We can write out the subset as

[tex]S=\{1, \frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{3}, \frac{1}{4}, \dots \}[/tex]

In set notation...

[tex]S = (0,1][/tex]

That is, S is neither open nor closed.

? I would interpret (0, 1] as the set of all real numbers between 0 and 1 (including 1 but not 0) not S.

Of course, it is true that the set is neither open nor closed. It is not open because a neighborhood of 1/n, a disk in the complex plane centered on 1/n will contain numbers not in the set. It is not closed because the sequence has limit point 0 which is not in the set. (If 0 were included, the set would be closed.)
 
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Solution 3

Since [itex](z,0) = 0 \, \forall \, z \in \mathbb{C}[/itex], then S is closed since the complement is open. ie since

[tex]\mathbb{C}^2 \backslash \left(S = \{0\}\right)[/tex] is open.

I may be misunderstanding your notation. It is true that S is closed because the complement of S is open.
But I don't understand your saying (z, 0)= 0 . (z, 0) (for all complex z) is topologically equivalent to the complex plane in the same way that the x-axis, y= 0 (all points (x, 0)), is topologically equivalent to the real line.

And I really don't understand what you mean by [tex]\mathbb{C}^2 \backslash \left(S = \{0\}\right)[/tex]. What could S= {0} mean?
 
? I would interpret (0, 1] as the set of all real numbers between 0 and 1 (including 1 but not 0) not S.

Ha. I don't know what I was talking about ? You are right of course, and what you wrote is exactly what I was thinking...

I may be misunderstanding your notation. It is true that S is closed because the complement of S is open. But I don't understand your saying (z, 0)= 0 . (z, 0) (for all complex z) is topologically equivalent to the complex plane in the same way that the x-axis, y= 0 (all points (x, 0)), is topologically equivalent to the real line.

I see. I wasnt sure what was meant by (z,0) - but from what you wrote I would guess that what the question means. I suppose I had a lucky guess then!?
 
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