How Do Gravity Waves Form from Space-Time Oscillations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanics of gravitational wave production, particularly how oscillations in space-time arise from cosmic events involving massive bodies. Participants explore analogies and concepts related to gravitational waves, their formation, and the nature of space-time oscillations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the destruction of a massive body can cause space-time to oscillate, suggesting it implies a "bounce" in space-time.
  • Another participant provides an analogy comparing space-time to water in a bucket, explaining that mass/energy curves space-time and that high-energy cosmic events produce ripples, referred to as gravitational waves.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about what exactly is oscillating in the context of gravitational waves.
  • Discussion includes the idea that periodic motion, such as two neutron stars circling each other, could produce ripples, while a direct collision might not produce a similar "bounce" but still results in a change that generates waves.
  • Participants discuss the concept that any change in a gravitational field, regardless of being periodic or a one-time event, can lead to the propagation of information in the form of gravitational waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of oscillations in space-time and the mechanisms behind gravitational wave production. There is no consensus on the specifics of how these waves form or what exactly oscillates.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on analogies that may not capture the full complexity of gravitational wave mechanics. The discussion includes speculative elements about the behavior of gravitational fields during cosmic events.

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i have looked on the net but i can not find a site that
explains the MECHANICS of gravity wave production, as i understand
it is an oscillation in space time, if gravity is warped
space time how can the destruction of a massive body make it
oscilate, it implies some sort of bounce, but how can
space time bounce, or is the above total wrong?
 
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Hi

I think that you have understood the concept the Gravitational Waves in a way that u shouldn't have. Imagine water ina bucket. This represents Space-Time without Mass in it. Now when you throw a stone, there are ripples produced or when a boat moves through water, there are ripple produced. Now it is said by GR that mass / energy curves the space-time fabric. So the presence of a mass-energy sorce curves space-time. Whenever there a cosmic event that involves really high levels of energy, then, there are ripples produced in the fabric. These ripples travel through the vastness of space and are called gravitational waves.


Sridhar
 
thankyou sridhar-n

i understand your analogy, the part I am not sure of is
what is actualy oscilating .
 
Originally posted by wolram
...how can the destruction of a massive body make [space-time curvature]
oscilate, it implies some sort of bounce, but how can
space time bounce...

astute question as yours so often are

would you accept that two neutron stars circling each other could produce a rippling? I think so. Something going around and around is similar to something bouncing up and down---periodic motion.

an electric charge going around and around produces a radio wave---the gravity wave equations are not too different from the "bending" in the electric&magnetic fields that propagates as wave

but suppose the two neutron stars don't circle each other at all but just approach each other along a straight line and simply smash into each other?----kerblam, it's over.

that is like a one-time spark jumping a gap----no bounce, at least no obvious bounce in any simple sense: you charge two things and bring them close, and a spark jumps, and that's it, over.

but even the jumping of a spark sends out a radio wavelet, a brief click pulse. any time a charge of electricity ACCELERATES it sheds energy even if only in the form of a brief pulse, you can even pick up the crackles as static on the radio sometimes

and maybe wolram if you looked very closely at the neutron stars colliding you would actually see a bounce---the momentum of the collision causing a brief over-compression, which produces a rebound and so on----like the vibrations resulting from a traincrash

Maybe the essential thing is believing in the reality of the gravitational field (pictured as a bunch of arrows in space or as a curvature or however)---the gravitational field associated with two stars-----with two centers of attraction----is a different shape from the field associated with one star only. So when two things crash the field must CHANGE SHAPE. Field equations, whether EM or grav, are such that any time a field changes shape it causes a ripple effect as the information spreads out into the world, the information that at some locale the field has changed---that is all waves are:

waves don't have to be periodic, they can be one-timers, but what they are above all is the information spreading out that the field has undergone some change in some locale

just an oversimplification but may help answer yr question
 
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waves don't have to be periodic, they can be one-timers, but what they are above all is the information spreading out that the field has undergone some change in some locale
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yes now i am convinced, a major event can not occur without
some sort of reaction in the medium it exists in.
many thanks.
 

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