Having Trouble Finding the Distance

  • Thread starter Thread starter Lucretius
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the distance between a point P and a line L in a calculus context. The original poster presents a specific problem involving the point P(-2,2) and the line defined by the equation 2x + y = 4, expressing frustration over repeated incorrect answers compared to the textbook solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the concept of the shortest distance from a point to a line, emphasizing the need for a perpendicular line segment. There are attempts to rewrite the line equation and use the distance formula, with some participants questioning their calculations and the setup of the problem.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, including the need to find the slope of the perpendicular line and set equations equal to each other. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods, with no clear consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the challenge of understanding the problem setup and the potential for typographical errors in the textbook. There is also a sense of frustration with the complexity of the calculations involved.

Lucretius
Messages
151
Reaction score
0
Summer has rolled around, but my studying continues. I want to be prepared for Calculus next year, so I bought some textbook at a thrift store. Already I'm running into problems! The book tells me to find the distance between P and L. P is a coordinate pair and L is a line equation. I have done three of these problems and all three have ended up being wrong, though I don't know where exactly I have made a mistake in my math.

[tex]P(-2,2)[/tex] [tex]L:2x+y=4[/tex]

I get the points for L by making x=0 and y=0, and I end up with:

[tex]P(-2,2)[/tex] [tex]L(2,4)[/tex]

Then I use the distance formula:

[tex]\sqrt{(2+2)^2+(4-2)^2}[/tex] which ultimately becomes [tex]\sqrt{20}[/tex], and finally [tex]2\sqrt{5}[/tex]

Unfortunately for me, my book reads: [tex]6\sqrt{5}[/tex]
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The first thing you need to realize is that the shortest distance between a point and a line is along a line segment perpendicular to the original line. This should allow you to write an equation for the line segment. See if that gets you going in the right direction; write back if you get stuck.
 
So, should the line equation be changed to [tex]y=2x-4[/tex]?

I tried making Line L into Line L' and then doing the distance formula but I get [tex]\sqrt{52}[/tex].
 
No,

The equation of the original line is y = 4-2x
What is the slope of a line that is perpendicular to this line? The slope of a perpendicular line will be the negative reciprocal slope of the original line.
Then you should set up an expression for the slope of the new line (which you now know). Something like m = (y1-y2)/(x1-x2) The subscript 2 could be your ordered pair. The subscript 1 would then be the point on the original line that you want to find.
I hope that helps.
 
I'll try to do it tomorrow. I must be missing something right in front of my eyes. After 55 minutes of staring at the page, I just draw blanks.
 
Okay, I am about to go insane, no matter what I try, I cannot get this problem. I spent an hour looking at it last night, and an hour today, and I've tried everything — even what the book is telling me is not helping, and I cannot get the answer they tell me.

I found the line perpendicular to line L running through point P, which is (-2,2)
The equation of the line is x-2y=-6, or y=3+1/2x. The line it is perpendicular to is y=-2x+4.

The book I use tells me to set these equations equal to each other, and so I have: 3+1/2x=-2x+4, which leads to 2 1/2x = 1, and I get 4/10 for x. I then get y by plugging 4/10 in the first line equation. -2(4/10)+4 = 3 2/10.

Using the distance formula I get: [tex]\sqrt{(-2-\frac{4}{10})+(2-3\frac{2}{10})[/tex], which becomes [tex]\sqrt{\frac{832}{100}[/tex]. This does not become what the book says the answer is: [tex]\frac{6}{\sqrt{5}}[/tex]
 
Lucretius said:
Summer has rolled around, but my studying continues. I want to be prepared for Calculus next year, so I bought some textbook at a thrift store. Already I'm running into problems! The book tells me to find the distance between P and L. P is a coordinate pair and L is a line equation. I have done three of these problems and all three have ended up being wrong, though I don't know where exactly I have made a mistake in my math.

[tex]P(-2,2)[/tex] [tex]L:2x+y=4[/tex]

I get the points for L by making x=0 and y=0, and I end up with:

[tex]P(-2,2)[/tex] [tex]L(2,4)[/tex]

Then I use the distance formula:

[tex]\sqrt{(2+2)^2+(4-2)^2}[/tex] which ultimately becomes [tex]\sqrt{20}[/tex], and finally [tex]2\sqrt{5}[/tex]

Unfortunately for me, my book reads: [tex]6\sqrt{5}[/tex]
Do you know the point-slope equation for a line? It looks like this:
[tex]y-y_1 = m(x-x_1)[/tex]

You need to develop the equation for the line that is perpendicular to the line you have been given, L, and through the point given, P.

The slope of a perpendicular line is the negative of the reciprocal, or [tex]M_{\bot} = -(\frac{1}{m})[/tex]

You can use the point and the perpendicular slope to come up with the equation of the perpendicular line:
[tex]y-y_1 = m(x-x_1)[/tex]
[tex]y-2 = \frac{1}{2}(x+2)[/tex]
[tex]y = \frac{1}{2} x + 3[/tex]

Now that you have the 2 line equations (y=-2x+4 and y=1/2x+3), set them equal to each other to calculate one of the variables. I'll set the Y variables equal to calculate x:
[tex]\frac{1}{2} x + 3 = -2x + 4[/tex]
[tex]x = \frac{2}{5}[/tex]

Now use the value of x calculated to calculate y by using eiter equation:
[tex]y = -2x + 4[/tex]
[tex]y = -2(\frac{2}{5}) + 4[/tex]
[tex]y = \frac{16}{5}[/tex]

Now you have two points to plug and chug on the distance formula:
[tex]d = \sqrt{(x_2-x_1)^2 + (y_2-y_1)^2}[/tex]

[tex]d = \sqrt{(-2-\frac{2}{5})^2 + (2-\frac{16}{5})^2}[/tex]

Which ends up to equal [tex]\frac{6 \sqrt{5}}{5}[/tex]

I double checked the answer on my CAD station so I know it's right and your book answer has a type-o.
 
my advice is to graph it all, then see if it sparks any sudden inspiration
 

Similar threads

Replies
42
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
24
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
28
Views
2K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K