Solve Classical Mechanics: Find Force, Stable & Turning Points

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The discussion revolves around a classical mechanics problem involving a mass moving in a potential described by the equation U(x) = -a/x + b/x^2. Participants are exploring how to find the force, stable points, turning points, and the period of oscillation for the mass in bounded movement.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss using analogies with spring systems to derive force equations and explore the relationship between potential energy and force. Questions arise about how to determine the spring constant k and the implications of energy conservation on the motion of the mass.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various approaches being suggested, including setting up differential equations based on energy conservation. Some participants are questioning the need for specific values and methods to derive k, while others are exploring the implications of stable equilibrium points and the potential energy function.

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There is mention of assumptions regarding small oscillations and the potential need to avoid complex equations, indicating constraints in the problem-solving approach. Participants are navigating the boundaries of the problem without reaching a consensus on a specific method or solution.

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A mass m is move in potential

U(x) = -a/x+b/x^2

I can solve this problem to find force F(x), stable point, turnning point
but i can't to find the equation of period of the mass for boundaring movement
please help
 
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How about just using an analogy with the case for a spring:

F(x)=kx, etc. :smile:
 
Berislav said:
How about just using an analogy with the case for a spring:

F(x)=kx, etc. :smile:

w(omega) = sqrt(k/m) is correct?.
if correct how can to find values k?. please explain
 
Following Berislav 's suggestion,
U(x)=(1/2)kx^2 for a spring.

Hopefully, you *know* what force law F(x) corresponds to this potential energy function. How do you get F(x) from U(x)?

What characterizes [in terms of U(x)] the position of the stable equilibrium point?

Given a suitable total energy E (a constant), what is the range of positions available to the particle? If you can setup a differential equation for the conservation of energy, you can obtain an expression for t as a function of E and U(x).

If you can successfully do this for this potential energy function, you should [in principle] be able to apply the same ideas to your potential energy function.
 
[itex]F= - \frac {dU}{dX}[/itex]

Put above equal to kx and get k , use some math.

BJ
 
how would you get k from that? Seems like you need to know what x is... :smile: Is that what you mean by "use some math"?
 
danai_pa:

Did you get an answer to this problem? I don't believe you will need to solve any cubic equations. Do what robphy said...set up the equation

E = (1/2)mv^2 + U(x), where v = dx/dt

and solve for dt. Integrate from one turning point to the other. That's half a period. This gives you the exact period even if the oscillation is not small. If you are allowed to assume the oscillation is small, you can expand the potential energy about a stable point and then apply the F = -kx technique.
 

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