US develops lethal new viruses: New Scientist

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The discussion centers around the genetic engineering of deadly viruses, specifically mousepox and cowpox, conducted by a US government-funded scientist. Participants explore the implications of this research, including concerns about bioterrorism, security at research facilities, and the potential consequences of publishing sensitive information.

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  • Some participants express concern about the creation of a highly lethal mousepox virus that can kill vaccinated mice, questioning the safety and ethics of such research.
  • Others argue that understanding these viruses is necessary for preparedness against potential biological threats, emphasizing the need for research despite the risks.
  • A participant raises questions about the confidentiality of research results and the implications of sharing detailed methodologies at conferences.
  • Concerns are voiced regarding the security of laboratories conducting such research, referencing a USDA report that highlights vulnerabilities in lab security and the potential for unauthorized access to dangerous pathogens.
  • One participant suggests that the experiments are unrelated to bioterrorism, proposing an alternative view that smallpox has origins beyond current scientific understanding.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of the research, the necessity of such experiments, and the security measures in place at laboratories.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of established security protocols in laboratories handling high-risk pathogens, as highlighted in the USDA report. There is also uncertainty regarding the classification and publication of research findings related to genetically engineered viruses.

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A scientist funded by the US government has deliberately created an extremely deadly form of mousepox, a relative of the smallpox virus, through genetic engineering.

The new virus kills all mice even if they have been given antiviral drugs as well as a vaccine that would normally protect them.

The work has not stopped there. The cowpox virus, which infects a range of animals including humans, has been genetically altered in a similar way.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994318
 
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Nothing new, right? Scientists earlier, about 1-1.5 yrs ago had made smallpox from scratch, using reagents ordered from the internet biosciences companies.

Oh, wait, these are NEW strains of viruses, that's really bad news.. but research in the field is required to gain more knowledge of what is possible, to be prepared when an enemy releases such an engineered virus. With prepared I mean not to counter launch a biological attack, but rather to quickly assess whether it is a natural virus or not and how best to treat it.
 
I just wonder, what is done with research results? Do they get published? Is it confidential and highly classified information? It doesn't seem so, in the article they even give out the recipe:

The researchers modified the mousepox virus by adding a gene for a natural immunosuppressant called IL-4, expecting this would boost antibody production.

Instead, the modified mousepox virus was far more lethal, killing 60 per cent of vaccinated mice. The addition of IL-4 seems to switch off a key part of the immune system called the cell-mediated response.

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His team "optimised" the virus by placing the IL-4 gene in a different part of the viral genome and adding a promoter sequence to maximise production of the IL-4 protein, he told a biosecurity conference in Geneva last week.

Buller has also constructed a cowpox virus containing the mouse IL-4 gene, which is about to be tested on mice at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland.
Yeah, very smart, tell all the bioterrorist (which they are trying to outsmart) to which conferences to go and which facilities to get all the necessary information to replicate the work.. yeah, very smart..
 
US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland and all the region seems to be a dangerous place to live.
Also Mr. Murphy lives there, the guy from Murphy's law, remember?
 
Originally posted by Monique
Yeah, very smart, tell all the bioterrorist (which they are trying to outsmart) to which conferences to go and which facilities to get all the necessary information to replicate the work.. yeah, very smart..
Indeed ... and tell him where to drop his plane.
This all is like kids playing with fire ...
 
Originally posted by pelastration
US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland and all the region seems to be a dangerous place to live.
Also Mr. Murphy lives there, the guy from Murphy's law, remember?
Anything that CAN go wrong WILL go wrong.. yes, I've personally verified the correctness of that statement with my experimentations.. it's right.
 
hum ... an unlocked freezer :/ Murphy?

USDA Report: Better Security Necessary at Labs
Tue 18 November, 2003 23:37
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=3847665&section=news

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Department of Homeland Security should establish strict security guidelines for all government-funded U.S. laboratories that conduct research on deadly viruses, bacteria and chemical agents, U.S. Agriculture Department investigators said on Tuesday.

The USDA's Office of Inspector General said it found dozens of research labs, mostly located at public universities, that were vulnerable to theft because of lax security and incomplete record keeping.

"Without a standard minimum level of security, there is a potential that laboratories could experience unauthorized entries and that the loss or theft of high consequence pathogens could go undetected," the report said.

With several federal agencies providing grants to many of the same research labs, the report recommended that the Homeland Security Department create one set of security rules for institutions that handle high risk agents.

Between July and September 2002, USDA investigators visited 104 laboratories at 11 sites and found many lacking alarm systems and surveillance cameras.

At one institution, a science lecturer had stored seven vials of an agent that can cause pneumonic plague, an airborne pathogen that can kill all infected people within 48 hours, in an unlocked freezer. The freezer had contained other dangerous pathogens that could not be accounted for, the report said.

The scientist said the vials were destroyed in September 2002.

Thomas Butler, a university professor at Texas Tech University, is on trial accused of lying to federal agents about 30 missing vials of bubonic plague bacteria.

USDA officials were not immediately available to comment on whether the two cases were the same.

In the report, the USDA said it agreed with the recommendations. It has started discussions with the Homeland Security Department on implementing a minimum security standard.
 
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Posted by Ivan Seeking:
“The cowpox virus, which infects a range of animals including humans, has been genetically altered in a similar way.”

These experiments have nothing to do with bioterrorism or the development of biological weapons of mass-destruction. Nothing. The smallpox virus is of alien origin and has long been a "puzzle" to the greatest scientists involved in the mutations of its original code. I'm a bit surprised that they have finally admitted the cowpox link to humans. Cattle/humans.
 

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