Hans Bethe's Just-Published Views on Global Energy Problems

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The discussion centers on Hans Bethe's recently published views regarding global energy problems, particularly his advocacy for nuclear power and breeder reactors as a solution. Participants explore the implications of Bethe's ideas on nuclear proliferation and alternative reactor designs, including the Integral Fast Reactor (IFR).

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Main Points Raised

  • Bethe argues that nuclear power is essential for the future and emphasizes the need for breeder reactors, specifically using heavy water moderated thermal breeders with uranium-233, uranium-238, and thorium as fuel.
  • Some participants discuss the potential of thorium-232 in thermal breeders to produce uranium-233 and the conversion of uranium-238 to plutonium-239, along with the implications for actinide burning.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about Bethe's proposed solution to nuclear proliferation, referencing the International Nuclear Fuel Cycle Evaluation study, and suggests that the IFR concept may better address these concerns.
  • The IFR is described as allowing on-site reprocessing, which prevents weapons-grade material from leaving the high radiation area of the power plant, thus addressing proliferation risks.
  • Another participant expresses strong support for the IFR, noting its inherent safety features and criticizing the cancellation of the project in 1994.
  • There is a recognition that Bethe's views may have been formed before the development of the IFR design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of Bethe's proposed solutions to nuclear proliferation, with some supporting the IFR as a more viable alternative. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to addressing these issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the historical context of Bethe's views and the evolution of reactor designs, indicating that some assumptions may be based on earlier technological understandings.

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Just published:http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0507043

From the abstract
Bethe's view-point on the global energy problems is presented. Bethe claimed that the nuclear power is a necessity in future. Nuclear energetic must be based on breeder reactors. Bethe considered the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons as the main problem of long-range future of nuclear energetics. The solution of this problem he saw in heavy water moderated thermal breeders, using uranium-233, uranium-238 and thorium as a fuel

Bethe of course was the world famous, Nobel winning physicst who died at an advanced age a few weeks ago. He was head of the computation division at Los Alamos during the development of the atom bomb, and Feynman worked for him there.
 
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Th-232 can be used in a thermal breeder to produce U-233, and U-238 is converted to Pu-239 (with subsequent production of Pu-240, 241, 242 and Am-241,242,243, Cm-244). Actinide burning is a possibility.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Just published:http://www.arxiv.org/abs/physics/0507043

From the abstract


Bethe of course was the world famous, Nobel winning physicst who died at an advanced age a few weeks ago. He was head of the computation division at Los Alamos during the development of the atom bomb, and Feynman worked for him there.

selfAdjoint,

I don't see Bethe's solution as solving the proliferation problem - and neither
did the International Nuclear Fuel Cycle Evaluation study of the late 70s,
early 80s.

I think the solution lies with concepts like Argonne's Integral Fast Reactor;
the IFR:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interviews/till.html

The IFR concept allow on-site reprocessing - so that the weapons-grade
material never leaves the high radiation portion of the power plant.

Additionally, as Dr. Till states; the IFR concept doesn't separate the
weapons useable material from other "stuff" that makes the creation
of a weapon with that material impossible.

The IFR is a breeder; so it makes potential use of all the Uranium
available, both U-238 and U-235; and not just the fissile U-235.

The IFR address proliferation concerns - the Plutonium created is never
separated from "stuff" that makes the use of that Plutonium in a weapon
impossible.

The IFR is "inherently-safe" or "passively-safe" - it doesn't rely on
engineered safeguards like emergency pumps to guarantee safety.
It relies on the Laws of Physics; which always work.

It really is too bad that Clinton canceled this project in 1994 to
appease the anti-nuclear crowd.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
I thoroughly agree with you doctor. Without your expertise, I have been a proponent of the IFR for years, as my old posts on PF will show. I just thought it was interesting to see what Bethe, for whom I have the greatest respect, thought about it. Maybe the thoughts retailed in the paper were from before the IFR design was developed.
 

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