What is the relationship between wind velocity and drag?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between wind velocity and drag force acting on a ball suspended by a string. Participants explore the mathematical representation of drag and its dependency on various factors, including wind velocity and the drag coefficient.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formula for drag force and its components, questioning the assumptions behind the use of certain equations. There is an exploration of how to derive the drag coefficient and its implications for the problem at hand.

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Multiple interpretations of the drag force formula are being explored, with some participants offering corrections and clarifications regarding the drag coefficient and its dependence on the Reynolds number. Guidance is provided on how to analyze the forces acting on the sphere in equilibrium.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the randomness of air movement due to the fan, which may complicate the application of standard drag equations. Participants also note the need to consider the drag coefficient as a variable that may change with different flow conditions.

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Ok so I have a ball tied to a string hanging. I start a fan and the string now forms an angle.

I have heard that there is a relationship between the force on the ball and the wind velocity (obviously)

It should be something like F=kv^2 or something like that, what I need to find out is the magnitude of this constant.

I have a series of angles (enabling me to calculate the drag of the ball). Using this I would like to calculate the velocity of the wind colliding with the ball, any ideas?
 
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Drag is:

Cd*0.5*p*v^2*S

Where Cd is the drag coefficient, p the density of the medium, v the flow velocity, and S the profile area. For a sphere, a typical drag coefficient may range from 0.07 to 0.5, but for practical purposes tends to be around the upper of these two limits.

As always, please excuse the lack of Latex!
 
Brewnog is right.

Let me put it into latex.

[itex]F_w = dAv^2[/itex]

where

d=air density
A= Area of influence
v=Velocity of wind

Though movement of air due to a fan is pretty random , and this is NOT a formula which can give you the true picture of what is really happening with the air molecules.
Anyways , this formula is common for air/Gas/Liquid striking uniformly on a surface . Deriving this formula is pretty easy . Start with Force=change in momentum due to each particle striking the surface and derive it from there.

BJ
 
Dr.Brain said:
Brewnog is right.

Let me put it into latex.

[itex]F_w = dAv^2 \qquad \color{red} \mbox{-------(NOT CORRECT)}[/itex]

where

d=air density
A= Area of influence
v=Velocity of wind
dr brain: u forgot the "most interesting" term, namely drag coefficient Cd. The formula for sphere should be:
[tex]F_w \ = \ \frac{C_{d}dAv^2}{2}[/tex]
where
Cd = Drag Coefficient of sphere
d=air density
A= Area of influence
v=Velocity of wind

in any case, brewnog is also not quite correct. the sphere's drag coeff Cd is a function of the Reynold's Number Re and ranges from about 0.4 for Re > 1000 to values approximated by 24/Re when Re < 1 (so that Cd can be in the thousands).

ponjavic: the "constant" value u are looking for is the Drag Coefficient Cd in the above formula. you can assume Cd is constant for all your wind speeds. draw the 3 forces on the sphere (wind drag, gravity, and string tension) in equilibrium. resolve into horizontal and vertical components. all components must sum to zero when sphere is in equilibrium. Then determine wind drag, and from that, the Cd.
 

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