How do I properly bound the area between polar curves?

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between two polar curves, specifically focusing on the correct bounds for integration. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the bounds and mentions receiving a negative area, indicating a misunderstanding in the setup.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the intersection points of the curves and the implications for setting bounds. There is mention of needing to perform separate integrals for different sections of the curves and the importance of correctly identifying where the curves intersect.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting specific limits for integration and the need to consider the areas under each curve separately. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in determining the correct bounds.

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The original poster has attached a specific problem but has not provided all necessary details for complete clarity. There is an indication that the curves may not intersect as initially perceived, which complicates the area calculation.

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I am having trouble finding the area between 2 polar curves... I have the procedure down, but the bounds are throwing me off. Any help with understanding how to bound would be great appreciated!

I have attatched one problem that I am having hard time with and the work I have done. I know that I am doing something wrong because I am getting a negative number for an area (which shouldn't be).
 

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At Pi/2 your lower limit changes to 0. (Otherwise
you're integrating from the bottom half of the circle
up to the 1 + cos(theta) curve.)
 
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That was tricky, but I figured out what the problem is. The two graphs don't intersect where they appear to intersect. They do intersect at [itex]\frac {\pi} {3}[/tex], but they don't really intersect at the origin. There [itex]\theta = \pi [/tex] for [itex]r=1+cos(\theta)[/tex], but [itex]\theta= \frac {\pi} {2}[/tex] for [itex]r=3cos(\theta)[/tex]. What you need to do is two separate integrals with different limits. Find the whole area for [itex]r=1+cos(\theta)[/tex] and then subtract out the area for [itex]r=3cos(\theta)[/tex].[/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex][/itex]
 
Find and double the area from [itex]\pi/2[/itex] to [itex]\pi[/itex] for the [itex]1+cos(\theta)[/itex] graph. Then, find the area from [itex]\pi/3[/itex] to [itex]\pi/2[/itex] for [itex][(1+cos(\theta))^2 - (3cos(\theta))^2][/itex]; double this as well. The total area is the sum of the two.
 
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Thanks a bunch guys =)

What I did was:

1. found the area from [itex]\pi[/itex] to [itex]\pi/3[/itex] for the graph of [itex]1+cos(\theta)[/itex] -- doubled it

2. found the area from [itex]\pi/3[/itex] to [itex]\pi/2[/itex] for the graph [itex]3cos(\theta)[/itex] -- doubled it

3. Substracted the value i got in #2 from #1... and that was my answer.

... Does it sound on the right path?
 
Yup, that works.
 

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