Why Can't Integration Variables Be Interpreted Using This Method?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of integration variables and the relationship between integration and differentiation. Participants explore the mathematical properties of these operations, questioning whether they can be treated as inverse processes and discussing the implications of constants of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of interpreting integration variables in a specific manner, citing the need for constants of integration.
  • Another participant asserts that integration and differentiation are not inverse operators, emphasizing that integrals are defined up to additive constants.
  • A participant points out two issues with the initial approach: the necessity of a constant of integration and the standard notation for iterated integrals.
  • One participant proposes defining the integration variable as 'relative' and suggests a method for writing iterated integrals that they find easier to read.
  • There is a claim that differentiation is the inverse of integration and that antidifferentiation is the inverse of differentiation, although this is contested by others.
  • A participant discusses the notation for differentials, indicating that the notation for second-order differentials does not follow the same rules as first-order differentials.
  • Another participant humorously notes that differentiation is not an invertible operation on differentiable functions, highlighting the non-one-to-one nature of differentiation.

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Participants express differing views on whether integration and differentiation can be considered inverse operations, with no consensus reached on this matter. There are multiple competing interpretations of the relationship between these mathematical processes.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of constants of integration and the notation used for differentials, indicating that these aspects may complicate the interpretation of integration variables.

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I am inquiring as to why integration variables cannot be interpreted using this method:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} (x^n) = nx^{n - 1}[/tex]
[tex]\int nx^{n - 1} dx = x^n + A[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2} (x^n) = n(n - 1)x^{n - 2}[/tex]
[tex]\int n(n - 1)x^{n - 2} dx^2 = x^n + A + Bx[/tex]

 
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because that isn't how they behave. why should they? integration and differentiation are NOT inverse operators since integrals are only defined up to additive constants.
 
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There are two problems in your approach. First (as mattgrime states) you need a constant of integration, so your first integral is xn+A. Second, the standard notation for iterated integrals is different from what you have for the second integral, which would be xn+A+Bx.
 
relative reference...


What about defining the integration variable as 'relative', such that:

[tex]\int f(x) \; dx^2 = \int \left( \int [ f(x) dx] \right) dx[/tex]

The second integration with respect to [tex]dx[/tex]:
[tex]\int n(n - 1)x^{n - 2} dx^2 = \int \left( \int n(n - 1)x^{n - 2} \; dx \right) \; dx = x^n + A + Bx[/tex]

It certainly seems a lot easier to read, I certainly would not want to write out a relative example: [tex]dx^{10}[/tex] using the politically correct immediate RHS method...

If integration and differentiation are NOT inverse operators, then what are the inverse operators of integration and differentiation?
 
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If integration and differentiation are NOT inverse operators, then what are the inverse operators of integration and differentiation?

Differentiation is the inverse of Integration.

Antidifferentiation is the inverse of differentiation.

Hey, you asked...
 
Inverse Operation...

Crosson said:
Differentiation is the inverse of Integration.
Antidifferentiation is the inverse of differentiation.

Differentiation:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} (x^n) = nx^{n - 1}[/tex]

Indefinite Integration:
[tex]\int (nx^{n - 1}) dx = x^n + A[/tex]

Anti-Differentiation:
[tex]\frac{d^{-1}}{dx^{-1}} (nx^{n - 1}) = x^n + A[/tex]

OK, then what is the difference between the operation of indefinite Integration and Anti-Differentiation?
 
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One of the difficulties is that while [tex]\frac{df}{dx}= f '(x)[/tex] yields the differential notation df= f'(x)dx

[tex]\frac{d^2f}{dx^2}= f"(x)[/tex] does not yield d2f= f"(x)dx2. One of the reasons for having the "2" in different places in "numerator" and "denominator" is to make it clear that "2nd order" differentials don't work that way!


(There is no difference between "indefinite integral" and "anti-derivative". They are different names for the same thing. {Well, sometimes people refer to "an" anti-derivative to mean a specific choice of constant. I have never heard that done with "indefinite integral".})
 
Differentiation is not an invertible operation on differentiable functions. :-p Remember, for instance, that an invertible function must be one-to-one, and differentiation clearly is not.
 

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