Understanding Partial Differentials of a Function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of extracting partial derivatives of a multivariable function, specifically in the context of functions like f(x,y,z). Participants explore the implications of differentiating with respect to each variable while considering the roles of constants and the notation used in such operations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on what extracting partial differentials means for a function of multiple variables, questioning whether a single solution can encompass differentials for x, y, and z.
  • Another participant explains that there will be three first partial derivatives, each treated as a function of all three variables, emphasizing the need to hold other variables constant when differentiating.
  • A participant asks if they can write a new function based on the example provided or if they must treat the variables separately.
  • Concerns are raised about the ambiguity in notation when differentiating, particularly when considering functions of another variable, and the distinction between "partial differentials" and "partial derivatives" is clarified.
  • A detailed formulation of the differential is provided, illustrating how to express the total differential in terms of the partial derivatives and the differentials of the variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the process of obtaining partial derivatives and the need for clarity in notation. However, there is some disagreement regarding the interpretation of the notation and the distinction between differentials and derivatives, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat contested.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the variables and the context in which they are applied, particularly concerning the use of different coordinate systems like Cartesian and polar coordinates.

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Greetings !

I'd appreciate some help in explaining, in general,
what - extracting partial differentials of a function, means.

I'm talking about a function like f(x,y,z).
Does it mean that I need a single solution where
I will have differentials for x,y,z of the func.?
Example:
f'(x,y,z) = ( x^2*y + y^2*z + x*e^(2z) )' =
= (2x*y + e^(2z))x' + (x^2 + 2y*z)y' + (y^2 + 2e^(2z))z'

Also (this is related to physics), if I have unit vectors
of x, y, z in the func. do they stay as they were
or does it entail doing some tricks on them as well
(for Cartesian coordinates - I don't think I should touch'em,
but what about a func. of polar coordinates - discribing the
course of the particle itself).

Thanks ! :smile:

Live long and prosper.
 
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There will be three first partials, with respect to x, to y, and to z. Each one of them will be a function (in general) of all three variables. You do the x partial by differentiating as if y and z were just constants. So the partial of x^2(lny)sinz is 2x(lny)sinz, for example, but the partial of that with respect to z is x^2(lny)cosz. Just apply the rules you know, and hold the variables you're not differentiating with respect to constant.
 
Thanks selfAdjoint ! :smile:

So can I also write a new whole function like I did
in my example or do I have to treat them separately ?
 
The problem with something like

"f'(x,y,z) = ( x^2*y + y^2*z + x*e^(2z) )' =
= (2x*y + e^(2z))x' + (x^2 + 2y*z)y' + (y^2 + 2e^(2z))z'"

is that then notation is ambiguous. If you are given that x, y, and z are functions of some other variable, say t, then we could write f as a function of t and differentiate that. In that case f' refers to differentiation with respect to t, as do x', y', and z'. That's the chain rule for functions of several variable.

You titled this partial "differentials". You should say "partial derivatives". Differentials are something else entirely.

Given f as you have it, the correct formulation, in terms of differentials, would be:
df(x,y,z) = d( x^2*y + y^2*z + x*e^(2z) ) =
= (2x*y + e^(2z))dx + (x^2 + 2y*z)dy + (y^2 + 2e^(2z))dz

Of course, for any variable t, you could "divide" by dt to get
df/dt(x,y,z) = d( x^2*y + y^2*z + x*e^(2z) )/dt =
= (2x*y + e^(2z))dx/dt + (x^2 + 2y*z)dy/dt + (y^2 + 2e^(2z))dz/dt.

which is exactly the same as
f'(x,y,z) = ( x^2*y + y^2*z + x*e^(2z) )' =
= (2x*y + e^(2z))x' + (x^2 + 2y*z)y' + (y^2 + 2e^(2z))z'
 

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