Learning vectors: the dot product of vectors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dot product of vectors, specifically addressing questions about the interpretation and application of the dot product in various expressions involving multiple vectors. Participants explore the implications of using the dot product symbol in different contexts, including scalar multiplication and the definition of operations between vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to approach the expression a * b * c, considering whether to interpret it as a scalar resulting from a dot product followed by scalar multiplication with a vector, or as a scalar derived from a specific summation of components.
  • Another participant asserts that the expression a.b.c is nonsensical, while (a.b)c and a(b.c) are valid, highlighting the confusion arising from using the same symbol for different operations.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether the dot product symbol can be used for scalar and vector multiplication, indicating a misunderstanding of its intended use.
  • One participant clarifies that the book aims to emphasize that the dot product can only be formed between two vectors in the same vector space, noting restrictions on dimensionality.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of mixed multiplication involving vector cross products, suggesting alternative interpretations of the expressions presented.
  • A later reply reflects on the initial confusion regarding the dot product symbol, acknowledging a misunderstanding of its meaning and usage in the context of the book's explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of certain expressions involving the dot product and scalar multiplication. There is no consensus on the interpretation of a * b * c, with some arguing it is undefined while others propose alternative meanings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proper use of the dot product symbol in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the book's explanations regarding the dot product symbol, leading to confusion about its application in different scenarios. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and operations involving vectors.

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Well, I've been attempting to learn dot products of vectors and in doing so have come upon some questions.

NOTE:
a, b, and c are to be regarded as vectors
Please regard '*' as the dot for multiplication, too.

Question 1:
a * b * c

When I see this, I am unaware how to approach it. Should I tackle it left to right as I would normally?

a * b will yield a scalar value using the dot product. Then if I take the result and * c, I will have a scalar multiple times a vector. So the result is a vector?

OR do I do a1*b1*c1 + a2*b2*c2 + a3*b3*c3 and the result is a scalar?


Question 2:
(a * b) * c
I would naturally attack the brackets first of all and the resulting value will be scalar. Then continuing on, I have a scalar result value times the vector c. So, the final result is a scalar multiple of vector c, correct?
 
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a.b.c makes no sense (a.b)c does as does a(b.c) and they are different. where does thsi come from? i mean who is using the same symbol for dot product (defined only on two vectors in the same vector space) and scalar mult?
 
They are from questions in the book I'm attempting to learn from.

So, the dot product symbol cannot be used to express multiplication between scalar and a vector?

(I am unaware, I had always thought the dot was general multiplication, interchangable with the "x" symbol).

The book asks you to categorize the results of the expressions.

One of the categories is undefined, so that is where a.b.c would end up.
 
yes the book is attempting to make you realize tht you can only form the dot product between two vectors (in the same space, so you can't dot a vector in R^2 with one in R^3)
 
Once i saw a*b*c [or (a,b,c)], and it was supposed to be mixed multiplication [tex](\vec{a}\times\vec{b})*\vec{c}[/tex] (or [tex](\vec{a}*(\vec{b}\times\vec{c})[/tex], no difference) By x i mean vectorial multiplication.
 
Thanks. This cleared up the problems I was having :)

I had encountered the dot before and wrongly assumed that it meant general multiplication, just another symbol. I was wrong ;)

Unfortunately the book didn't give to much on the use of the symbol. It just introduced it as "here, this is the algebraic formula for dot products and this is the geometric formula". Then it asked me those questions. So I was confused to say the least...

thanks again!
 

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