Would a black hole be able to suck-in another blackhole?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction between black holes, specifically whether one black hole can "suck in" another black hole. Participants explore the mechanics of black hole mergers, the limits of their mass, and the implications of gravitational waves and relativistic effects.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that black holes can combine into a larger black hole through gravitational attraction, rather than "sucking" one another in.
  • There is a discussion about whether there is a limit to the amount of matter a black hole can absorb, with some asserting that there are no limits while others propose that the total mass of the universe might serve as a defining limit.
  • One participant mentions that the new black hole formed from merging black holes has slightly less mass than the sum of the original black holes due to energy loss from gravitational waves.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that relativistic effects during the merger could lead to a gain in total mass as the black holes spiral into each other at high speeds.
  • There is a distinction made between the mass of black holes and the concept of a "Big Crunch," with some participants noting that a black hole exists within spacetime while a Big Crunch would involve the consumption of all spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanics of black hole interactions and the limits of their mass. There is no consensus on whether black holes can "suck" each other in or the implications of relativistic effects on mass during mergers.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on definitions of mass and the nature of gravitational interactions, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of relativistic effects and the total mass of the universe.

bayan
Messages
202
Reaction score
0
Hi there. I just have a question about black holes.

Would a black hole be able to suck-in another black hole?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
as a star that went super nova is the starting point of a black hole and there is a limit to the size of a star and so a limit to the size of the resulting black hole BUT we have super masive black hole as galitic center objects
therefor it is very likely that they do combine but there is no sucking to the deal just normal gravity at work

btw I think this process results in a quazar while the two [or more ] black holes are
moveing at high speeds thru each others disks of matter that they each have around them
as I cannot see simple infalling matter supplying the required energy
 
is there a limit of how much matter it can suck in?
 
bayan said:
is there a limit of how much matter it can suck in?


no limits but [well a bigger BH would not infall to a smaller one]
they do NOT suck
they have mass that has the very same gravity as any other lump that has the same mass

and mostlikely something other then the simple infall of stuff is seen in the
growth to super massive size as exists in the central galixcys black holes we see today
 
Yes, 2 (or more) black holes can combine into 1 larger black hole. IIRC, the new black hole has slightly less mass than the sum of the 2 black holes that formed it due to energy loss through gravitational waves.

No known upper mass limit for a black hole.
 
Phobos said:
No known upper mass limit for a black hole.
Unless I missed something somewhere along the line, I believe that the total mass of the universe would be the defining limit. That's essentially the thinking behind the 'Big Crunch' proposal, isn't it? If the limit were lower, such a thing would never have been suggested in the first place.
 
Phobos said:
Yes, 2 (or more) black holes can combine into 1 larger black hole. IIRC, the new black hole has slightly less mass than the sum of the 2 black holes that formed it due to energy loss through gravitational waves.

No known upper mass limit for a black hole.

I thought from reading posts here that
there is a gain in total mass
from relitiveistic effects of the high speeds reached
as the two BH sprial into each other at near light speeds
 
ray b said:
I thought from reading posts here that
there is a gain in total mass
from relitiveistic effects of the high speeds reached
as the two BH sprial into each other at near light speeds
No, Phobos is correct.
 
Danger said:
Unless I missed something somewhere along the line, I believe that the total mass of the universe would be the defining limit. That's essentially the thinking behind the 'Big Crunch' proposal, isn't it? If the limit were lower, such a thing would never have been suggested in the first place.

Ok, the total available mass in the universe is an upper limit. :smile:
But a black hole is an object set within spacetime whereas a Big Crunch would consume all of spacetime as well.
 
  • #10
Phobos said:
Ok, the total available mass in the universe is an upper limit. :smile:
But a black hole is an object set within spacetime whereas a Big Crunch would consume all of spacetime as well.
Good point... but it would still be a swell name for a candy bar. :biggrin:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
6K
  • · Replies 49 ·
2
Replies
49
Views
7K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K