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Determinants and Matrix Inverses Proofs 
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Jul2905, 08:07 PM

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Can anyone help me start this out? I got absolutely no clue.
Q: If A and B are n x n matrices, AB = BA, and n is odd, show that either A or B has no inverse. I know that we have to show that either det A is 0 or det B is 0, but I have no clue how to show it with the given information. Q: If A^k = 0 for some k >= 1, show that A is not invertible. Again, same problem. Any help would be great, thanks. 


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Jul3005, 12:00 AM

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1: You're right. You gotta show that either detA =0 or detB=0. Take the determinant of both sides of the equation and "simplify" using the properties of the determinant to obtain the desired conclusion.
2: This one's even easier. Use the same trick. 


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Jul3005, 03:31 AM

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The second problem can be done without determinants (using contradiction) as well.



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Jul3005, 10:02 AM

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Determinants and Matrix Inverses Proofs
Thanks for the responses, so is this correc then? I tried it, but I am stuck.
Q: If A and B are n x n matrices, AB = BA, and n is odd, show that either A or B has no inverse. det(AB) = det(BA) detA detB = det(B) detA detA detB = (1)^n detB detA 1 = (1)^n Is this correct? Because since we know n is odd, that means 1 will never equal 1. Is this proof good enough to say that A or B has no inverse? I seriously do not know how to show that either detA or detB is 0. Q: If A^k = 0 for some k >= 1, show that A is not invertible. det(A^k) = (detA)^k What to do next? Muzza, how would you do this using contradiction? 


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Jul3005, 12:25 PM

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Instead, notice that (1)^n = 1, since n was odd. Thus det(A)det(B) = det(A)det(B). 


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Jul3005, 01:00 PM

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Instead, what you did is you mechanically continued your arithmetics, and divided both sides by detA detB, assuming neither detA and detB was 0...which of course led to the contradiction 1 = 1. A^k = 0 det(A^k) = det0 (detA)^k = 0 iff detA = 0. 


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Jul3005, 06:56 PM

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Thanks a bunch guys. It's all clear now.



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