What is the Doppler shift equation for light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the application of the Doppler shift equation for light in the context of a pulsating star observed from a moving reference frame. Participants explore the relationship between frequency, period, and time dilation, particularly in a relativistic framework.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the observed period of a pulsating star and proposes using the Doppler shift equation for light to solve it.
  • Another participant suggests that the correct approach involves time dilation rather than the Doppler shift, indicating that the frequency of the pulsar is the focus.
  • A third participant confirms the use of the relativistic Doppler equation and provides a reference, while also emphasizing the importance of time dilation in relating observations from different frames.
  • One participant introduces the concept of gamma, defining it in the context of relativistic effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that time dilation is relevant to the problem, but there is contention regarding the application of the Doppler shift equation versus time dilation in this specific context. The discussion remains unresolved as to the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the relationship between frequency and period, as well as the conditions under which the Doppler effect and time dilation are applied. The complexity of events occurring at different space and time coordinates is noted but not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in relativistic physics, particularly those exploring the effects of motion on the observation of periodic phenomena in astrophysics.

criznet
i've been having a tough time trying to solve the following problem.

A pulsating star has a period of 3 sec as seen from the rest mass frame of the star. What is the period of the star as measured by an observer traveling 2.2e8 m/s with respect to the star?

I assumed that it was simply the doppler shift for light and I found the equation.

f` = f sqrt(1+v^2/c^2) / sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2).

So in changed the given period of 3 sec to frequency by inverting it. plugged in 2.2e8 for v and 3.0e8 for c. I came up with the observed frequency and inverted it for my answer, but it seems that i am incorrect. anyone have insight into this?

dave
 
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IIRC Relativistic Doppler Shift is:
sqrt((1+v/c)/(1-v/c)) = λ'/λ

Hoever, you're looking for time dilation instead, it's the frequency of the pulsar, not the light, that you're interested in.
 
Both you and Nate have the right equation for the relativistic Doppler equation. Here's a page on the relativistic Doppler equation for reference:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/reldop2.html

What you want is time dilation. When two events occur at the same location in space but at different times, you can very simply relate the time between those events observed by two observers like this:

t2 = gamma t1

I get 4.41 seconds.

Be careful when taking this approach: when the two events take place at different space and time coordinates, the expression is more complicated.

- Warren
 
For anyone reading this thread who is unfamiliar with gamma:

gamma = 1 / sqrt(1 - (v/c)^2)

- Warren
 

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