Calculating the Fine for Speeding Using the Doppler Effect Equation

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The discussion revolves around a speeding ticket scenario involving the Doppler effect. The original poster presents a problem where a driver claims to have seen a green light instead of red due to the Doppler effect, leading to questions about calculating the fine based on her speed exceeding the limit.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the necessary information to determine the fine, including the driver's speed and how it relates to the Doppler effect. Questions about the interpretation of the Doppler effect equation and its application to the problem are raised.

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Some participants have provided guidance on identifying the required information to calculate the fine, while others express confusion about the application of the Doppler effect equation. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical reasoning involved, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of deriving the driver's speed from the given frequency shift and the implications of the Doppler effect in this context. The original poster references a textbook example but struggles to understand the solution process.

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There's a speeding ticket problem, and I'm don't know to start thinking about how to solve the problem~
"A driver is caught going through a red light. The driver claims to the judge that the color she actually saw was green (f=5.6*10^14 hz) because of the doppler effect. The judge accepts this explanation and instead fines her for speeding at the rate of $1 for each km/h she exceeded the speed limit of 80km/h. What was the fine?
 
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Can you set any intermediate goals?
Is there anything you can figure out from the given information?
What pieces of information would allow to determine the answer?

Have you asked yourself any of these questions yet?
 
Yes. Because that's an example in a textbook. There's the solution, but I don't know why the solution solves the problem that way.
 
You want to know the fine amount. You know how much she'll pay per km/h she exceeds the speed limit. So what information do you need in order to find out how much she'll be fined?
 
how much she overspeed?
 
Yes - now in order to find that, you need to know what her speed was. The only information you have is that her supposed red light looked green because of the doppler effect. If you've learned about the doppler effect, you should know an equation that tells you how fast she needed to go for that to happen. Then find out how much faster it was than 80km/h and you have your answer.
 
oh, i see!
Thank you very much!
 
hmm... i tried solving this equation using the doppler effect equation: f`=f((c+v)/c) where v=speed of observer and c = speed of light
so
5.6*10^14=4.8*10^14(3*10^8+v)/(3*10^8)
=> 7/6*3*10^8=3*10^8+v
=> v=(1/6)*3*10^8
but that's not right, because the correct answer should be 4.59*10^7
does anybody know what went wrong?
 

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